Originally posted by no1marauderI was thinking about what a nuisance it would be if your fleet linked up with Garibaldi. Even one heavy cavalryman on board a single gallion would have allowed you to cause further trouble. In the event Morocco agreed. And what are Berbers for if not to fight? The Germans snapping at your heels would have slaughtered them in passing, so instead they joined in a battle that it made sense to fight. Just as my gallions helped him destroy the Mameluke fleet.
Bragging about a battle won only by treachery is typical of you; I offered an almost even naval battle but you were too cowardly to face such a challenge.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI wonder how I rank in terms of fleet size at this point? My fleet's getting pretty big.
I was thinking about what a nuisance it would be if your fleet linked up with Garibaldi. Even one heavy cavalryman on board a single gallion would have allowed you to cause further trouble. In the event Morocco agreed. And what are Berbers for if not to fight? The Germans snapping at your heels would have slaughtered them in passing, so instead they jo ...[text shortened]... a battle that it made sense to fight. Just as my gallions helped him destroy the Mameluke fleet.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungMorocco rules the sea, and Aragon and Hungary are about equal. Sicily's fleet is a shadow of its former self although it is covered with glory from its recent exploits in the Adriatic. By the way did the Bavarian marines try to attack Dalmatia?
I wonder how I rank in terms of fleet size at this point? My fleet's getting pretty big.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageMorocco may rule the Sea but that's only because Aquitaine prefers the Ocean.
Morocco rules the sea, and Aragon and Hungary are about equal. Sicily's fleet is a shadow of its former self although it is covered with glory from its recent exploits in the Adriatic. By the way did the Bavarian marines try to attack Dalmatia?
The Bavarian fleet and marines were both intercepted by King Phil and I in the Adriatic. I don't know where they were going. Poor Phil lost a large chunk of his navy, while I managed to replace all my lost Medium Galleys with Royal Gallions. That battle upgraded my navy quite a bit.
It looks to me like Morocco's navy is mostly transports. Does he have more warships than we do?
After a few private conversations, I have decided to post this in reference to the whole issue with Novgorod.
I received a single communication from her concerning her departure. As any good ally would do, we (myself and the Horde) were informed by Novgorod that she was leaving. I have not spoken to her since that time, save for phone call 3 days ago, which had very little to do with MD2.
There has been no cheat, manipulation of the rules or any other action of that nature. The decision to attack Novgorod was made to prevent YET another bot from entering the game.
Most of you have said that you would have taken advantage of a leaderless nation as well...except for no1, and he is full of $^%@. As a point of fact - in the MD Vet game thread, it was thought that Aquitaine was gone from the game, so all of his neighbors mobilized to attack him. The only difference is that Novgorod told me she was leaving, which, as stated before, any good ally should do.
Now, if any of you cannot grasp any of the above or have issue with it...it really does not matter as it is the truth of the matter.
So that it is very clear, I will not be responding any further to allegations of cheating or anything else on this matter. Doubtful I will be posting here on any matter save for the one I said I would, with the end game, or my elimination from the game, I will be happy to discuss my strategy. Until then...have a merry thread.
Originally posted by KnightWulfeYou have neatly forgotten to mention two issues.
After a few private conversations, I have decided to post this in reference to the whole issue with Novgorod.
I received a single communication from her concerning her departure. As any good ally would do, we (myself and the Horde) were informed by Novgorod that she was leaving. I have not spoken to her since that time, save for phone call 3 days ago, ...[text shortened]... ination from the game, I will be happy to discuss my strategy. Until then...have a merry thread.
1) The gold
2) Whether the rest of us had a right to know that she was leaving
Originally posted by KnightWulfeOh, thanx for saving us from a bot.
After a few private conversations, I have decided to post this in reference to the whole issue with Novgorod.
I received a single communication from her concerning her departure. As any good ally would do, we (myself and the Horde) were informed by Novgorod that she was leaving. I have not spoken to her since that time, save for phone call 3 days ago, ...[text shortened]... ination from the game, I will be happy to discuss my strategy. Until then...have a merry thread.
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I, too, will make one post on this Novgorod matter.
1. Novgorod informed me and Bavaria that she was leaving the game due to a death in the family. Saxony was subsequently informed of the matter. As we were her closest allies, she chose to inform only us. As her departure was a sudden one, none of us had any premonition of it coming.
2. Novgorod's army was decimated in our joint war with the Teutonic Order. She was left with virtually no defenses when her announcement came.
3. I specifically cautioned Novgorod not to give away her gold or cede any provinces. I know she used at least part of that gold to build forces in Novgorod the turn before I attacked her (which I subsequently defeated at the cost of 4 boyar guards). So I don't believe she gave any of her gold away. I know I didn't recieve any.
4. The only thing Novgorod did for my benefit was to grant me passage through her realms. As I already had passage through some of them already, this was only a small advantage. The conquest of Novgorod would have come out exactly as it did regardless of the manner of her departure. My fast cavalry would have overrun her defenseless provinces in short order, with or without passage. It probably would have taken me one turn longer to do so.
5. Nobody else was in a position to take advantage of Novgorod's departure except for me and Bavaria. Whether anyone else had been informed or not is irrelevant. They could have done nothing about it but watch.
Originally posted by rwingettIt must have been a long, lingering death has Novgorod was turning gold over to Bavaria weeks earlier as the analysis of Bavaria's building of 212 Gold value forces shows. Remember that gold cannot be used the turn it is transferred.
I, too, will make one post on this Novgorod matter.
1. Novgorod informed me and Bavaria that she was leaving the game due to a death in the family. Saxony was subsequently informed of the matter. As we were her closest allies, she chose to inform only us. As her departure was a sudden one, none of us had any premonition of it coming.
2. Novgorod's ar ...[text shortened]... lse had been informed or not is irrelevant. They could have done nothing about it but watch.
Novgorod could have built defenses with that gold. You also ignore the attack on Norway's fleet. One thing people could have done if they had been informed of Novgorod's intentions before they were accomplished was to inform the GM and ask him to not allow such blatantly unfair behavior (as Gottschalk did in a prior game as he described). You knew this was certainly contrary to the spirit of the game, fair play and decency. You were a dirtbag to take advantage of the other players in this manner. As I am almost certain that this was Bavaria and Novgorod's plan from turn 1, I do not hesitate to call KW a cheat. If he wants to report that to the GM, do so; I would like to see a full investigation by the GM of all the relevant turnfiles.