Originally posted by buffalobillPrecisely.
The Teuton navy was wiped out in battle with Novgorod, leaving the Novs with but 1 carrack.
They have nothing at the moment, but with movement back to Prussia and the ownership of Vaasa, they have two harbors. I doubt that unless there is specific reason to build ships that the Order will expend the moneys to build them, since he is at war with 4 nations, all on the main continent.
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Originally posted by KnightWulfeWow. He's in a rough position. Keep the pressure on him guys. His holdings are roughly a section of a circle centered on the sea. If he can't move people by ocean he has almost no flexibility. I recommend coordinated attacks on his extremes; for example, Novgorod hitting Finnland, somebody else (Saxony?) hitting Pomerania and if possible someone else hitting Samogiria and/or Courland. Don't give him time to solidify his position and build a navy.
Precisely.
They have nothing at the moment, but with movement back to Prussia and the ownership of Vaasa, they have two harbors. I doubt that unless there is specific reason to build ships that the Order will expend the moneys to build them, since he is at war with 4 nations, all on the main continent.
Originally posted by buffalobillNorway seems to be getting the short end of the stick in your joint war with Denmark; the Saxons have grabbed a bunch of Danish provinces and assert "joint" occupation of Zeeland. In the meantime, Norway has lost one of their northern occupied provinces and now faces most of the Danish army. I wonder how long our Viking brothers will continue to war on each other for the sole benefit of the Germans?
Technically, Norway but jointly occupied with Saxony.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungFour countries ganging up on one should be actually able to win. One wonders whether the smaller nations have really thought this out; the Teutons have only two provinces worth much: Riga at 19 and East Prussia at 14 gold. I betcha the Lithuanians want the former and the Saxons want the latter (the Poles didn't move last turn). I suspect that Novgorod will wind up gaining little and be left as the next logical target for the Lithuanians and perhaps the Horde. And why everybody wants to cooperate with the Saxons when they've already grabbed 121 gold provinces is a mystery to me.
Wow. He's in a rough position. Keep the pressure on him guys. His holdings are roughly a section of a circle centered on the sea. If he can't move people by ocean he has almost no flexibility. I recommend coordinated attacks on his extremes; for example, Novgorod hitting Finnland, somebody else (Saxony?) hitting Pomerania and if possible someone ...[text shortened]... ng Samogiria and/or Courland. Don't give him time to solidify his position and build a navy.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThen this is certainly an interesting comment from the King of the Saxons:
Zeeland belongs to the Norse. The income goes to them if they annex it. Saxony simply is helping to defend it as far as I can tell.
BB: Technically, Norway but jointly occupied with Saxony.
As to your other comment, I'm making an observation that the policies of certain countries are ill-serving their own interests, but nicely serving the interest of the two German states.
Originally posted by no1marauderYeah, yeah. Blah, blah. I'm well aware of your attempts to create discord between my allies, friends and myself. Pfft. 😏
Norway seems to be getting the short end of the stick in your joint war with Denmark; the Saxons have grabbed a bunch of Danish provinces and assert "joint" occupation of Zeeland. In the meantime, Norway has lost one of their northern occupied provinces and now faces most of the Danish army. I wonder how long our Viking brothers will continue to war on each other for the sole benefit of the Germans?
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Originally posted by buffalobillThat's not much of an answer. My comment is true in all respects, isn't it? You've gained 32 gold provinces from Denmark, while the Norwegians have gained a 10 gold province (which you have more troops in and assert "joint" status) and lost a 4 gold province. And the bulk of Danish troops are arrayed against the Norwegians, aren't they?
Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah. I'm well aware of your attempts to create discord between my allies, friends and myself. Pfft. 😏
Originally posted by no1marauderBecause I'm a better negotiator than you?
Four countries ganging up on one should be actually able to win. One wonders whether the smaller nations have really thought this out; the Teutons have only two provinces worth much: Riga at 19 and East Prussia at 14 gold. I betcha the Lithuanians want the former and the Saxons want the latter (the Poles didn't move last turn). I suspect that Novgorod wi ...[text shortened]... cooperate with the Saxons when they've already grabbed 121 gold provinces is a mystery to me.
Originally posted by no1marauderHow is what's going on between Saxony and Norway vs Denmark "nicely serving the interest" of Bavaria?
Then this is certainly an interesting comment from the King of the Saxons:
BB: Technically, Norway but jointly occupied with Saxony.
As to your other comment, I'm making an observation that the policies of certain countries are ill-serving their own interests, but nicely serving the interest of the two German states.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungHe pissed off is immediate neighbors, so he has to try elsewhere for help.
Zeeland belongs to the Norse. The income goes to them if they annex it. Saxony simply is helping to defend it as far as I can tell.
EDIT - "Viking brothers" vs "the Germans"? You trying to get Norway and Denmark to help you with Bavaria?