meman's gone!

Originally posted by dottewell
Three clear cheats. With someone like Meman, I imagine it's more difficult to tell.

Every serious player here who bothered to look at his games at all has known meman was a cheat for over a year.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Every serious player here who bothered to look at his games at all has known meman was a cheat for over a year.

Even I knew!

Originally posted by no1marauder
Every serious player here who bothered to look at his games at all has known meman was a cheat for over a year.

Is that "has known for over a year", or "a cheat for over a year"? I.e. did he start out as a real player? I haven't looked at his games.

Originally posted by Freddie2006
Even I knew!

Cuz serious players told ya!

Originally posted by Nordlys
Is that "has known for over a year", or "a cheat for over a year"? I.e. did he start out as a real player? I haven't looked at his games.

He joined about the same time as me (summer of 2004)and I played him very early in both our careers here. The games match up with Fritz's first choice in the high 80% like almost all his games since.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Cuz serious players told ya!

Trackhead? 😕

Originally posted by no1marauder
Every serious player here who bothered to look at his games at all has known meman was a cheat for over a year.

Well I generally don't look at other people's games, and I'm not sure it would help me if I did. Not sure I could tell by computer analysis, either; I only find it helpful to search for inaccuracies of 30-50 centipawns or above.

Obviously better players than me would have a much better idea what to look for. But I personally couldn't call Meman a "clear" cheat in the same way as the others.

Originally posted by Freddie2006
Trackhead? 😕

Trackhead was pretty correct in his lists about who was using an engine. Grayeyesofsorrow, myself and others were discussing meman's cheating at FW more than a year ago. He's been pretty obvious playing the number of moves he did at the level he did.

Originally posted by dottewell
Well I generally don't look at other people's games, and I'm not sure it would help me if I did. Not sure I could tell by computer analysis, either; I only find it helpful to search for inaccuracies of 30-50 centipawns or above.

Obviously better players than me would have a much better idea what to look for. But I personally couldn't call Meman a "clear" cheat in the same way as the others.

Depends on what other cheats you're talking about. That he cheated from day 1 avoids the obvious "Mt. Everest" rating graph. Search for the 30-50 centipawn inaccuracies by meman in his 13 games with me; you might find a couple along with well over an 85% matchup with Fritz's first choice or equivalent. I can't quite explain it but he played like an engine, too, not a strong human player. One indication is how quickly he played with so few errors; humans tend to make errors when they play at a quicker pace. IronMen and memans don't.

EDIT: Actually, I have 12 "real" games with meman (2 games I resigned without any moves) 3 draws, 9 losses.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Trackhead was pretty correct in his lists about who was using an engine. Grayeyesofsorrow, myself and others were discussing meman's cheating at FW more than a year ago. He's been pretty obvious playing the number of moves he did at the level he did.

Has anyone still got "the list"?

Originally posted by Freddie2006
Has anyone still got "the list"?

Maybe Skeeter, but we couldn't post it here anyway. I think they're almost all gone.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Depends on what other cheats you're talking about. That he cheated from day 1 avoids the obvious "Mt. Everest" rating graph. Search for the 30-50 centipawn inaccuracies by meman in his 13 games with me; you might find a couple along with well over an 85% matchup with Fritz's first choice or equivalent.

I meant the other cheats kicked today - the "mountaineers". All four may have been obvious to you, to a greater or lesser degree; only three were obvious to me.

I will go through those games; when I'm analysing my own I'm not normally looking for "best" moves, just checking for crucial/fairly crucial mistakes. Have never actually checked how often someone picks the "best" moves.

Originally posted by dottewell
Well I generally don't look at other people's games, and I'm not sure it would help me if I did. Not sure I could tell by computer analysis, either; I only find it helpful to search for inaccuracies of 30-50 centipawns or above.

Obviously better players than me would have a much better idea what to look for. But I personally couldn't call Meman a "clear" cheat in the same way as the others.

What is a centipawn?

Originally posted by Freddie2006
What is a centipawn?

1 pawn = 100 centipawns
1 queen = 900 centipawns

etc.

If you don't use post-game computer analysis, how did you know meman was a cheat?

Originally posted by Freddie2006
What is a centipawn?

1/100 a pawn. When you have an engine do an analysis, it gives a numerical evaluation of who's ahead and by how much. For example, + 1.23 would indicate that White is ahead by about a pawn and a quarter. The evaluation is based on material and positional factors though I don't know if the specific criteria each engine uses is available to the public.