Originally posted by eldragonflyUm, we are not eating the coyote head we didn't kill. Did you read my post at all? Or is this a typical knee-jerk reaction?
and sunburnt this "clever" idea of teaching anyone
this casual careless and cruel living off the land ethic
is pure and unadulterated horseyplop.
There are other ways to entertain your family i'm sure.
And if we did own a farm I would have no problem growing plants (which I have done) and killing animals to feed us all.
Originally posted by Sunburntand sunburnt there's that phony emo-induced "living off the land" and living large ethic again. of course you realize that these statements are contradictory.
Um, we are not eating the coyote head we didn't kill. Did you read my post at all? Or is this a typical knee-jerk reaction?
And if we did own a farm I would have no problem growing plants (which I have done) and killing animals to feed us all.
Originally posted by SunburntNo kids.
Do you have kids? They ask questions.
I don't think it's necessary for them to kill anything to experience death, though. On a ranch, I understand. Out here, nah. They are just kiddos.
Kindness is taught by example.
I don't know that they neccesarily need to "kill something" but they do need to understand the consequences of taking life.
Most kids squash ants under their feat, and feel the same about humans dying 5,000 miles away. I guarantee, anyone who has ever taken the life of a large animal, and gutted it while its warm, and looked into its eyes... they feel different then the guy who grew up playing video games and squashing ants.
Originally posted by eldragonflyAh, this is true. However who said you have to do the bare minimum to live or live by those particular ethics. They are only contradictory if you believe that killing animals is in violation of nature. If this is true, then someone should inform all the lions, alligators, etc. etc. that they are in violation of this law.
[b]fairies wear boots and you gotta' believe me
Ya' see... One is necessary for life, the other just plain isn't. Unnecessary cruelty is inhumane by definition.[/b]
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Originally posted by MrHandred herring, false dichotomy.
Ah, this is true. However who said you have to do the bare minimum to live or live by those particular ethics. They are only contradictory if you believe that killing animals is in violation of nature. If this is true, then someone should inform all the lions, alligators, etc. etc. that they are in violation of this law.
ahhhh yes... the morally defective and infinitely childish "nature is red of tooth and claw" argument..
Twisting that logic around a bit, all humans should own slaves then, since it is a part of recent history, and it was deemed necessary..
of course nevermind that you like to hide behind this ridiculous dominion type argument, ever ignoring that man has heaped massive destruction upon this earth, has destroyed the ecosphere and doomed the entire biosphere causing massive disarray ever ignoring the consequences and in the bargain has caused uncountable species extinction.
That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard, sure everyone likes poking dead creatures but there is nothing natrual about watching their decapitated skulls rot away in your home - even animals have the sense not to do that sort of thing (unless it was still edible)
If you really want a skull, just get a bucket and fill it with biological detergant then leave the head overnight and by morning all the flesh will be gone and you will have a nice smooth skull to hang on the wall.
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Originally posted by SunburntI would love to have your skull for my collection... when your done using it, of course.
We had been stopping to look at a dead coyote by the side of the road for a week. I have always encouraged my kids to observe the full circle of nature, to understand death as much as they can, and luckily, we are able to do that often here where we live. We have not raised our children with any religion or belief in God, as a side note here, just with the e credit goes to my boyfriend, because he knows I love skulls, and encouraged me to take it.
Edit: Use muriatic acid (HCl) to clean the skull. This is readily avialable at a pool store. Finish it off with a soaking in a diluted bleach solution.
Originally posted by NowakowskiTrue, but I don't want to have to kill an animal unless I must. If I were in the Canadian boreal forest like that Survivor Man guy (he's so hot) I'd share a bowl of steaming squirrel with him any day.
No kids.
I don't know that they neccesarily need to "kill something" but they do need to understand the consequences of taking life.
Most kids squash ants under their feat, and feel the same about humans dying 5,000 miles away. I guarantee, anyone who has ever taken the life of a large animal, and gutted it while its warm, and looked into its eyes... they feel different then the guy who grew up playing video games and squashing ants.