30 Nov 14
Originally posted by redbadgerI've listened to so many mockney xenophobic UKIP callers on LBC this week that I started to feel ill, and very reluctantly switched over to John Pienarr's phone-in show on the BBC. I can't stand Pienarr and his chummy politics-as-a-game political narrative, but I actually felt sorry for him for once - he was taking call after call from confused, overtly racist voters mumbling about swamping and wishing they still lived in the 1950s in an all-white Britain. Still, it could be worse, just take a listen to the immigration debate on C-Span:
I am voting for the fascist UKIP party the party of hate and depravity.
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by AmauroteI was a socialist for 43 years but now I wonder why.
I've listened to so many mockney xenophobic UKIP callers on LBC this week that I started to feel ill, and very reluctantly switched over to John Pienarr's phone-in show on the BBC. I can't stand Pienarr and his chummy politics-as-a-game political narrative, but I actually felt sorry for him for once - he was taking call after call from confused, overtly rac ...[text shortened]... ld be worse, just take a listen to the immigration debate on C-Span: http://youtu.be/IQlZbJZN8sg
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by redbadgerI'd class myself as a guild socialist rather than a collectivist, but I'm still holding my nose and voting Labour, if only because we're finally being offered the chance to vote for energy freezes and partial renationalization by tender - as opposed to full renationalization, which the Tories will immediately flog to the lowest bidder first chance they get. This for me is something people overlook when they vote Green - renationalization by tender (like the East Coast Mainline, which Stagecoach were gifted thsi week) costs virtually nothing and can efficiently and speedily roll back the rentiers and spivs who have taken over the railways, whereas full renationalization will cost a fortune, be opposed root and branch by every corporate interest in existence and be reversed first chance Cameron, Osborne or their successors get.
I was a socialist for 43 years but now I wonder why.
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by Amaurotewho ever gets in I would like to see more devolution (for the north east) and decentralisation of the financial centre of the UK.
I'd class myself as a guild socialist rather than a collectivist, but I'm still holding my nose and voting Labour, if only because we're finally being offered the chance to vote for energy freezes and partial renationalization by tender - as opposed to full renationalization, which the Tories will immediately flog to the lowest bidder first chance they get. ...[text shortened]... ate interest in existence and be reversed first chance Cameron, Osborne or their successors get.
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by redbadgerI agree with you completely. I'd like to see some kind of return to post-war planning (people forget all the new towns that were successfully planned by Hugh Dalton's department, including Newton Aycliffe). The last Northern Assembly referendum turned into a vote on whether or not we liked John Prescott, with predictable results - just as the AV vote became a plebiscite on Nick Clegg, who might have scored slightly better if he'd temporarily presented himself as the Bubonic Plague.
who ever gets in I would like to see more devolution (for the north east) and decentralisation of the financial centre of the UK.
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by Amaurotewhenever we get a Tory government it another fire sale everything must go.
I agree with you completely. I'd like to see some kind of return to post-war planning (people forget all the new towns that were successfully planned by Hugh Dalton's department, including Newton Aycliffe). The last Northern Assembly referendum turned into a vote on whether or not we liked John Prescott, with predictable results - just as the AV vote became ...[text shortened]... o might have scored slightly better if he'd temporarily presented himself as the Bubonic Plague.
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI can see your point, but they are all corrupt I know being a politician has become a gravy train. they should have some knowledge of the real world not straight from uni parachuted into a safe seat.should we take this to the debates forum spanky or what.
I shall almost certainly vote ukip in my local election, not that I want them in (overall) power, I just want to make a point to the flaccid so called leaders of the main parties.
30 Nov 14
Originally posted by redbadgerAmazing, I actually agree with the badger.
I can see your point, but they are all corrupt I know being a politician has become a gravy train. they should have some knowledge of the real world not straight from uni parachuted into a safe seat.should we take this to the debates forum spanky or what.
01 Dec 14
Originally posted by redbadgerI think it's always been the case that a lot of 'working class' people have held extremely right - wing views when it comes to immigration; get up into the softer middle - class and there lurks a much more tolerant attitude. Fact is that people are living all over the place these days, national boundaries are increasingly breaking down, and 'countries' are becoming ever more meaningless in this regard, (I'm an Englishman living in Indonesia), and long may this continue.
I was a socialist for 43 years but now I wonder why.
01 Dec 14
Originally posted by Indonesia PhilI'm not sure why you are confusing "intolerance" with the political position of reducing immigration.
I think it's always been the case that a lot of 'working class' people have held extremely right - wing views when it comes to immigration; get up into the softer middle - class and there lurks a much more tolerant attitude. Fact is that people are living all over the place these days, national boundaries are increasingly breaking down, and 'countries ...[text shortened]... meaningless in this regard, (I'm an Englishman living in Indonesia), and long may this continue.