Originally posted by dfm65
First of all, let me congratulate you on your less vitriolic response, and on expressing your view in a calmer and more coherent manner. In return, i will try to flesh out my view a little further so that it may be seen a little more clearly exactly what it is that i am objecting to. I think it is already there, or at least implied, in my posts to date, but it ...[text shortened]... IT: there was more, but i ran up against the max post size. will post it in this thread later...
Well, in defense of the people who named themselves:
sheepslabia -- labia means "lips" and he didn't specify whether they were facial or vaginal in nature. simply put, "sheepslabia" means "sheeps lips"; if there is something offensive about that, it came from within yourself
ToiletBoy -- a toilet is a basic part of "civilized" life; we pee, we poop, and we do it in a toilet -- get over it; also, in case you didn't know the noun "toilet" can also mean "dress, attire"; again, you have assumed he took the "dirtier" connotation, if there even is one.
andreilikeslittleboy -- this one, I dunno maybe you're right in some way, but I think you have to use your imagination at least a little bit to be offended by it; who knows, maybe it was created by a little girl?, maybe it is a Greek person named "Andrei Likes" and *he's* a little boy.
My point here isn't that these are not offensive names -- perhaps that is truly why they were created -- but that just because they're offensive to you doesn't necessarily mean that was their creators' intent. You can't just assume.
I come here from years at Caissa.com, the Internet's oldest chess site. The bulletin board forums there were fantastic. What I noticed was that the morons who did things to offend were taken care of by *the community*, not by some moderator with his finger on the trigger, not by people reporting each other. The forums here have nothing on the bulletin boards there in their heyday, but that was all brought about by freedom of speech and thought. People put each other down over this, backed each other up over that, debated intellectually on this, bickered like children over that. It's all part of what made it great. And when somebody went over the line, or some new moron stepped in trying to offend everybody, then they were dealt with in whatever appropriate way -- whether it was ignoring them until they went away, outright putting them in their place, or gently suggesting they apologize. And it worked.
So if this community is going to grow, some of the walls need to come down first. The "penis shrinkage" thread I noticed is now closed. IF that was done by a moderator, then I find it demoralizing. No one could *possibly* claim to be offended by that thread. The title clearly stated "penis shrinkage". A penis is any body part just like an arm or a fingertip. It's not suddenly "nasty" or hush-hush because some religion or other group told us so. Not a single person could have entered that thread without knowing what the content was about beforehand, so how could it be offensive in any way? "Penis shrinkage" can be no "nastier" or "offensive" than anything else about the human body, because it's NATURAL.
Anyway, I'm heading off to lunch now, but am really starting to feel the sterile over-protective big-brother quality here hurts much more than it helps. Maybe some of the others are right, maybe you are a cool guy after all. It probably didn't help that the first post I saw of yours reminding me of the religious fundamentalists who came to Caissa trying to clean everything up by reporting any and every "offensive" little thing that they willingly clicked on to read, knowing what was in store even before they did. So if I was wrong about you, sorry. I can say that.
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Originally posted by fierceFierce you dont judge a persons action by his intent ,you judge by its action.
Well, in defense of the people who named themselves:....................
my point here isn't that these are not offensive names -- perhaps that is truly why they were created -- but that just because they're offensive to you doesn't necessarily mean that was their creators' intent. You can't just assume.
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Suppose someone beheaded another person .Will you pardon him because his intent was good.
As for defending the names, someone who is either very wooden or who has a lead a life as a reculse can post those names for those reasons you gave.
Originally posted by druidravi
Fierce you dont judge a persons action by his intent ,you judge by its action.
Suppose someone beheaded another person .Will you pardon him because his intent was good.
As for defending the names, someone who is either very wooden or who has a lead a life as a reculse can post those names for those reasons you gave.
And what actions were presented here? I saw only names.
Very wooden, life as a recluse....hmmm...describes most chess players I know! -- and all-around still better than knit-picking at that.
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Originally posted by fiercefierce, i dont seem to recal any knit-picking, a sensible guy asked a sensible question thats all,
And what actions were presented here? I saw only names.
Very wooden, life as a recluse....hmmm...describes most chess players I know! -- and all-around still better than knit-picking at that.
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and you obviously dont know many chess players, plus your free to leave anytime you like, bye
Originally posted by druidraviOf course you would pardon him if his ententions were good.
Fierce you dont judge a persons action by his intent ,you judge by its action.
Suppose someone beheaded another person .Will you pardon him because his intent was good.
As for defending the names, someone who is either very wooden or who has a lead a life as a reculse can post those names for those reasons you gave.
Originally posted by forevergreenwithenvy
fierce, i dont seem to recal any knit-picking, a sensible guy asked a sensible question thats all,
and you obviously dont know many chess players, plus your free to leave anytime you like, bye
No, that's not all.
A (possibly, probably) sensible guy asked a knit-picky question. This wasn't just some innocent one, by the way; his intent actually *was* to report them, which is what I thought from the start and the reason for my initial response:
"In all honesty though, i should mention that i brought the usernames mentioned there to the attention of Russ."
Oh, and you obviously weren't at the US Open. Amazing what crawls out of the woodwork at some of these things. As for you: "hello, im a bonkers chess player with a passion for sexy chess"...good grief, I'd imagine you fit nearly 100% to the same profile mentioned above.
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Originally posted by forevergreenwithenvyHaha,did you look at his profile? ''Any cute girls feel free to send a shout.''
Oh god, not another bloke who takes profiles seriously.
ITS JUST A BIT OF FUN, your starting to sound like a bloke with a chip on his shoulder.
I guess that if he wants them to send a shout he should change picture...................or maybe they'll shout for disgust😉
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Originally posted by Ravellorather than continue in this vein, i'd rather respond to the latest comments by fierce.
Haha,did you look at his profile? ''Any cute girls feel free to send a shout.''
I guess that if he wants them to send a shout he should change picture...................or maybe they'll shout for disgust😉
first of all, if he/she meant sheep's lips, that's what they would have written. same point to be made about the others. toilet boy is not talking about attire, i'd put money on it. the meanings i read into it didn't come from me - they are the most plausible. i've tested this out by mentioning them to a few people - invariably they interpreted the terms the way i did. sure, perhaps i subliminally influenced them into agreeing with me, but i don't think so.
as to the point about how the other bulletin board worked, all i can say is that isnot how it works here at the moment. if you want to advocate the end of all moderation, go ahead, but i point out that posts are moderated, so it is being nothing less than consistent to moderate usernames too. this also addresses a point made by nemesio, who accused me of inconsistency for not protesting (indeed, contributing) to the 'penis shrinkage' thread.also, let me point out that in real life our behaviour is moderated too. that is true of every human community of which i am aware. there is nothing 'big brotherish' about it, unless it is taken too far. and i don't think we are anywhere near that in this discussion. it is a bit immature or panicky to see the issue in black and white - anarchy or totalitarianism. there is a vast grey area, a vast middle ground, which in practice every human community occupies. this discussion has been about where, in that middle ground, we want to locate RHP.
on this topic, i in fact agree with fierce. i deplore the closure of the thread and the deletion of my post from it. i questioned these decisions i the forum issues foum, but this has been closed now too.
i have been accused of many things here - being a religious zealnut and so on. i think i have dealt with these, but i would like to say a little more about the charge of hyper-sensitivity. i think the converse is true: i am not hyper-sensitive (this should be borne out by the long post on pg4), rather, those who fail to be offended are perhaps rather unsensitive. perhaps they have become desensitised by constant exposure to the insults of everyday life: the obcenity screamed from a car window, the contempt with which we are often treated by our governments and big business and so on. such brutalisation, the process of de-sensitisation - leads us inevitably to a state where we will accept more and more without process. fierce says those who rock the boat often get tipped out. well, Nelson Mandela rocked the boat, MLK rocked the boat, Malcolm X rocked the boat. sometimes it is a risk you just have to take.
there is not a lot more i have to say on this topic, if anything. i am well aware that nothing will change, and it does not particularly bother me. most people, i suspect, just want to play their chess and do not care what happens on the periphery. that's fine. still, i think the discussion has been worthwhile, and i hope some people got something out of it.
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i originally posted something here about the ban on under-13s, to the effect that it is partly because of the kind of username i've been going on about that sucha measure is necessary. i think all the relevant points have already been made though. for those who forget there are young people who use this site, and advocate a total lack of moderation...
Originally posted by Faith No Moresomehow I am tempted to use Dan Akroyd's retort to Jane Curtain on the Point-Coutnerpoint segment on the old Saturday Night Live show: "Jane, you ignorant slut". I always thought that was a pretty good answer to a non-sequitor remark such as yours.
For some reason every single thread comes down to Elvendreamgirl's cookies and Alex...
My opinion is that the Mad as the mist and snow clan changing name to the mad as the mist and cookies is the worst thing that happened to the general forum lately 😕
no offense, but sometimes I want to come and hear a good,normall fight instead of Cookies and Alex all day long.
FNM
First of all, how in the world has the changing of the word "snow" to "cookies" in our clan name ruined your life, or changed anything about our clan? Alex did that as a lark because he loves me. Does that really bother you so much, and if so, perhaps yopu should seek professional help?
Second of all, can you please give me the statistics on how many times you have been forced to see a thread ruined, or had your day ruined because of hearing the words "cookies" or "Alex"? Have I really ruined so much of your life with my talk of the man I love? I am honest. I wear my heart on my sleeve. When I am happy I say so; when I am angry I definitely say so. Rhp is like a second home to me, and like everyone else here, I have the right to post what I feel.
I know that people in love are really disgusting with all their sweet talk, but is it not better than people ranting about hate?
FNM, I have no problems with giving a good, normal fight. Want me to show you?
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