Originally posted by RBHILLI have discovered that this is not strictly accurate. The 'automatic' time out may occur 2, 3, or even 4 days after the time bank expires because it is not 'automatic' but must be manually instigated by someone in admin.
In Tourny's 2 days after a time out it gives the person a win no matter what.
I agree the system needs to be looked at but there are drawbacks to any system that may be implemented.
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Originally posted by rwingettrwingett. What you say is legally speaking correct, but...
I am going to take the position that if you get timed out in a game, then it's your own darn fault. You have to manage your own games responsibly, nobody else is going to do it for you. If you know you're likely to take a long vacation, then only play games with longer timeouts and/or timebanks. People who claim timeout victories are doing nothing wrong, ...[text shortened]... n't count on it. That's the way it goes people. So quit your whining and just play your games.
1. I have been timed out during on of those vicious virus outbreaks, and my company suspended internet for 24 hours.
2. If you play a game with 7 day move timeout, there are a big difference in total time from min to max, depending on how regularly people play. You can get caught with a holiday months after a game like this.
3. What about unplanned holiday? Internet access is not available everywhere.
Originally posted by ReaperPlan for the worst, that's all I'm saying. A 3/14 timeout allows you to take a two week vacation at any time. Even you Europeans with all your generous vacation time should be able to manage that. If your internet connection is unreliable, then you need to take even longer breaks into account. My point is that it's up to you to know your own situation and plan accordingly. If your plan is to simply rely on the other guy not to time you out, then you're going to be disappointed every time.
rwingett. What you say is legally speaking correct, but...
1. I have been timed out during on of those vicious virus outbreaks, and my company suspended internet for 24 hours.
2. If you play a game with 7 day move timeout, there are a big difference in total time from min to max, depending on how regularly people play. You can get caught with a holiday ...[text shortened]... ame like this.
3. What about unplanned holiday? Internet access is not available everywhere.
I believe that the time out system and vacation settings are fair and reasonable.
I just won a tournament because the system timed Prefect out. I told Prefect I would not time him out - but it happened. Unfortunate, but those are the rules. I've been timed out by a player the instant it became available - bummed me out.
Now I could understand if our ratings and records really ment something outside RHP. Ratings are just relative numbers to give your opponent an idea of your playing strength on RHP. I've played several players who have had wild swings in their ratings - dustnrogers and sintubin are examples. For what ever reason - personal or professional things happened. Some people are more active than others with the TO option - a personal trait.
You rating is more influenced by the last 20 games you've played than by the last 100 games. So Prefect will win more of the next 20 games and get back up to a more realistic rating.
With the vacation message in place, I read a persons profile to see when they will return. After waiting a bit, I'll check to see if they actively take time outs and will claim it depending on my mood and experience with the player.
No system is perfect. The rules are clearly published. We all get to choose who we play, what tournaments we enter and clans we join.
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Originally posted by rwingettHear friggin hear!
I am going to take the position that if you get timed out in a game, then it's your own darn fault. You have to manage your own games responsibly, nobody else is going to do it for you.
How many times is this gonna come up? Plan a little and play within the T/O & T/B limits.
No problem.
I've palyed games with 7 day timeout, wich lasted over 3 months. Also i've played 14 day tiimeouts wich ended in 5 hours. As long as such differences can occur, the vacation settings should be adapted.
Yes you can plan your games to your vacations, but only to a limit. There will ALWAYS be a element of (bad)luck wich you CANNOT take into account.
Unexpected loss of internet (be it an unexpected job assignment or a virus) should not be the cause of a rating-bash.
I'd opt for vacation setting to be unclaimable, with close monitoring. That way people who put their vacation off and on all the time will get caught if they abuse it.
Or maybe the possibility of manually claiming should be taken out, and replaced by an autoclaim wich interacts with a new vacation system...
I am a player who is regulary rated in the 1400's, even 1500's. My rating is very important to me personally. Look at my rating now--935! I lost internet connection for a couple of weeks, one of those things that just happen and I didn't have much time to plan for it. Lots of tournament timeouts and regular timeouts as well.
But you know what? I haven't complained about it once. I was expecting it when I got back because I CHOSE to play the games I was playing and I UNDERSTOOD the rules before this ever happened. It is all perfectly legal, and no one was doing anything wrong when they timed me out. It happens people, just live with it! My rating is going to get up there again, and it probably won't take very long to do it.
I'm getting really sick of this subject. Can you tell?
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you have never been timed out course you (a) mange them well and (b) you probably have a very predictable job ... If my job demands that I fly to say Germany for a weeks conference etc. then you know why vacation settings are good for ... And I am sure that many more people come up with many more good and valid reasons to not move for a while ...
I have played 339 games here and have never been timed out. Wh
Consider what the manual timeout is for;
To end a game wich the other party is deliberately refusing to move in.
Using above, the manual timeout is not meant to end a game in wich the other party is involuntarily not moving.
I do realise that this does not cover vacation time-outs.
If one would want to arrange his/her games in such a way that he has no claimable games during a vacation, that person would have to know 6 months in advance how long his/her vacation will be, and even more then a year for tournament games.
I find that unreasonable, and suspect that if all people would actually do that, RHP would lose a great deal of it's activity.
Originally posted by TheMaster37The best solution has been stated over...and over...and over again. Play games with longer timeout/timebanks!! If people are so worried about getting timed out then this is the obvious solution to ease their worried minds.
Consider what the manual timeout is for;
To end a game wich the other party is deliberately refusing to move in.
Using above, the manual timeout is not meant to end a game in wich the other party is involuntarily not moving.
I do realise that this does not cover vacation time-outs.
If one would want to arrange his/her games in such a way that ...[text shortened]... uspect that if all people would actually do that, RHP would lose a great deal of it's activity.
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Originally posted by ncrosbyThis sounds very reasonable but you and I are playing in round two of a tournament which started around Christmas last year.
The best solution has been stated over...and over...and over again. Play games with longer timeout/timebanks!! If people are so worried about getting timed out then this is the obvious solution to ease their worried minds.
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This second round started suddenly without warning and no amount of time management could have allowed for it.
Can you tell me when round three will start? - Of course not!
I am not 'having a go' at you, just pointing out that whatever system is put in place will be imperfect and will not please everybody.
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Originally posted by collemanWell with tournaments you just have to decide if it's worth it. While I was away for two weeks I lost tons of tournament matches, most of them matches that were in round 2 or even 3 that I had been looking forward to for awhile. If this would have happened a little later (my 2 weeks without internet that I posted earlier), it would have been our tournament that I got timed out on. Sucks, but I know the rules and take the risk. Like I said, my rating in very important to me, but I've made the choice to take the risk because I love tournaments. In a few of those tournaments I had a real chance to go even further which would have been awesome, but it didn't work out- so I'll just wait for the next chance.
This sounds very reasonable but you and I are playing in round two of a tournament which started around Christmas last year.
This second round started suddenly without warning and no amount of time management could have allowed for it.
Can you tell me when round three will start? - Of course not!
I am not 'having a go' at you, just pointing out that whatever system is put in place will be imperfect and will not please everybody.
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It's really as simple as that.
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Hypothetically;
You're playing game game, 21 day timeout + 21 day timebank, because you know, that soon you'll have no internet access for a while. It is the finaly of a HUGE clan battle, and the outcome of that game decides the clanmatch. You're rating is 1800+ and was, strangly enough, pitted against a 1200- player.
You're winning, horribly. You're one move away from checkmate, but can't make that move before you go on holiday. 7 days later you return and find that your internet had broken down. You try and try to get it back up, you try other internet connections in the neighbourhood, but all of them have the same problem. 43 days later you finally have acess to internet again, your rush to RHP and find the game claimed. You look and see it was claimed the second it could be claimed.
You're telling us you wouldn't be upset?
Originally posted by ncrosbyWe agree then, but your 'best solution' as stated in your previous post would not apply in these circumstances - that's all I'm saying.
Well with tournaments you just have to decide if it's worth it. While I was away for two weeks I lost tons of tournament matches, most of them matches that were in round 2 or even 3 that I had been looking forward to for awhile. If this would have happened a little later (my 2 weeks without internet that I posted earlier), it would have been our tournamen ...[text shortened]... ork out- so I'll just wait for the next chance.
It's really as simple as that.
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Originally posted by TheMaster37If you're playing a game with a 21 day timeout and a 21 day timebank and still get timed out, then you deserve to lose plain and simple. You're going to be very hard pressed to find anyone who has any sympathy for you.
Hypothetically;
You're playing game game, 21 day timeout + 21 day timebank, because you know, that soon you'll have no internet access for a while. It is the finaly of a HUGE clan battle, and the outcome of that game decides the clanmatch. You're rating is 1800+ and was, strangly enough, pitted against a 1200- player.
You're winning, horribly. ...[text shortened]... see it was claimed the second it could be claimed.
You're telling us you wouldn't be upset?