Originally posted by TheSkipperLast week I "took" my first TOs all games had not had a move in almost 1 year. This I felt was a reasonable length of time to give my opponents a chance to move😛
The question, for me, is not whether the rules allow a time-out victory, as they clearly do. Anyone can claim a victory as soon as the skull appears...no bid deal. The question is; are you here to play chess or are you here to win? If you are here to play chess why would you use the option to claim a victory? Especially when someone has the vacation f ...[text shortened]... o is win I’m sure you can find a checkers website for children to use to your hearts content. 🙂
Had there been a method to delete the game from "my games" without claiming the win I would probably have done that as I am here to play - my rating is irrelevant to me. But they were affecting how many concureent games I wanted to manage.
Originally posted by Phlabibitthis kind of idea has been suggested but my worry is that there are people who are away for more than 21 days a year (military, off shore workers) who would be left with no way to indicate their absence after their 21 days were up.
Chrismo had an idea once...
Everyone gets about 21 days a year off. That would be the vacation setting.
But he's seemed to replace it with timebanks.
There is no solution that will satisfy everyone... we know this!
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Timebanks were a much better idea - I only got timed out because the tourney I'm in started before timebank existed, and I think Prefect had the same problem.
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We should all be here to play chess, but the aim of chess is to win, and a win by time-out is as valid as a checkmate. Chess has been played with clocks for a very long time, for the good reason that if there were no time-limits then a person who was losing could prolong the game for ever. I sometimes feel that's the case here anyway! 😉
Now why do people slip up and lose on time? I think it's a simple matter of bad time-management. Everyone has control over the time-out settings and timebanks with which their games are conducted. If you have a job which frequently takes you away from home on business at short notice or the kind of person who has several long vacations per year, then you should play your games with the maximum time-out and timebanks. Don’t join any tournaments that are too fast for you and don’t belong to any clan which gives you too fast games either.
What if you’re normally a fast player, but are worried that something unexpected might happen over which you have no control? Again the solution is simple. Play games with short time-outs but with large timebanks. If you have games with a 28 day timebanks, then you should be able to have at least one vacation and cope with at least one emergency without having to rely on the leniency of your opponent.
The timebanks were introduced to solve these ‘problems’. Anyone who thinks they still have a problem to do with time-outs or vacations probably isn’t using their timebanks properly.
Dave
Originally posted by belgianfreakThere is no real solution to satisfy everyone, I figure! I think we're just going to need to stick to the timebank anyway... I don't see both timebanks and a 'save all' vacation flag working together... That might just be too much extra time per year.
this kind of idea has been suggested but my worry is that there are people who are away for more than 21 days a year (military, off shore workers) who would be left with no way to indicate their absence after their 21 days were up.
Timebanks were a much better idea - I only got timed out because the tourney I'm in started before timebank existed, and I think Prefect had the same problem.
I have no problems as it is... I have never been timed out. I really am very social with everyone I play, and they ask me or I ask them not to time out and we all agree our chess game is better than a timeout ending.
I have timed people out, they took way to long and were very much in a lost position... or perhaps something else bothered me about the player?
Again... not everyone will be happy with any reasonable solution!
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Originally posted by David TebbI'm totally in agreement. My only TO of late was from a tourney 2nd round (which you have no control when it starts) and the tourney was started before TB existed. I think Prefects tourney losses are probably the same. With TB you should be able to manage your games properly.
We should all be here to play chess, but the aim of chess is to win, and a win by time-out is as valid as a checkmate. Chess has been played with clocks for a very long time, for the good reason that if there were no time-limits then a person who was losing could prolong the game for ever. I sometimes feel that's the case here anyway! 😉
Now why do pe ...[text shortened]... do with time-outs or vacations probably isn’t using their timebanks properly.
Dave
Originally posted by Exyso are you agreeing with Dave, that the current system, properly implemented, is adequate and nothing needs changing?? I'd be glad if you were but I that'd be a bit of a shift from your previous position.
I recommend that David Tebb should be the chair of Colleman's Think Tank! 😉 At last the sound of sanity cutting through the forums, which have been a little batty of late!
Originally posted by belgianfreakThe system is fine as it is as long as it is made clear that putting the vacation flag on does not prevent time out. I think the best way of doing that is to get rid of the flag altogether, but there you go.
so are you agreeing with Dave, that the current system, properly implemented, is adequate and nothing needs changing?? I'd be glad if you were but I that'd be a bit of a shift from your previous position.
I have given up arguing over changing things, now I think that just educating people to understand how best to use what is currently there is the best option.
Originally posted by David TebbProblem
We should all be here to play chess, but the aim of chess is to win, and a win by time-out is as valid as a checkmate. Chess has been played with clocks for a very long time, for the good reason that if there were no time-limits then a person who was losing could prolong the game for ever. I sometimes feel that's the case here anyway! 😉
Now why do pe ...[text shortened]... lem to do with time-outs or vacations probably isn’t using their timebanks properly.
Dave
Maximum TO and TB are games that are not accepted much! Most players don't like a game to e able to last that long. Furthermore, clan maintain a much shorter time period for a game. That would mean, if you want to be sure, you can't join a clan. Many of the reasons to subscribe would then be less interesting. Basically where is comes down to, if you want to make sure, don't subscribe?
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Originally posted by TheMaster37There are 271 clans. I'm sure someone who wanted slow games would have no difficulty finding one suitable. My clan, The Bad Bishops have played many matches with clans who insisted on 7 or 14 day TO's and 28 day timebanks. Or they can always form their own clan!
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Maximum TO and TB are games that are not accepted much! Most players don't like a game to e able to last that long. Furthermore, clan maintain a much shorter time period for a game. That would mean, if you want to be sure, you can't join a clan. Many of the reasons to subscribe would then be less interesting. Basically where is comes down to, if you want to make sure, don't subscribe?
What I'm saying, is if you want complete protection from life's uncertainties and are obsessed with the thought that you might be timed out, play games with big TO's and timebanks. Personally, I would prefer to play much faster games and take my chances.
The choice is yours!
Dave
Originally posted by David TebbI am usually on this site every day of my life and for most of the time I am awake. I have about a 100 (That's low for me) games going that are mostly tournament or clan games. I have timed out countless people and have been timed out myself (I did take a vacation).
There are 271 clans. I'm sure someone who wanted slow games would have no difficulty finding one suitable. My clan, The Bad Bishops have played many matches with clans who insisted on 7 or 14 day TO's and 28 day timebanks. Or they can always form their own clan!
What I'm saying, is if you want complete protection from life's uncertainties and are ...[text shortened]... I would prefer to play much faster games and take my chances.
The choice is yours!
Dave
Like David said, it's our choice for which timebank and timeout period we play with. It's also our choice to which tournaments we participate in. And most of the people here are nice, and if messaged about the future vacation, they will be as lenient as possible.
So basically, this system should work out most of the problems if handled correctly. I much like the timebank feature, or I probably would have been timed out when I had an internet issue the other day.
I'm sure if Russ could please absolutely everyone, he would have already come up with a super duper algorithm that would make everyone smile.
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