Originally posted by PalynkaIt's not paranoia, I don't care, read my profile. La Gazzetta said it was the ref's decision, and although it was open to interpretation, they seemed to be quite critical of it.
They don't like the English? Come on, stop the paranoia. These are two of the most reputed sports papers in Europe.
Originally posted by PalynkaFrom memory, if that's OK, it was something like,
Can you quote and, if possible, translate it?
Rooney pushed Carvalho and then trod on him, something which in the eyes of the referee was worthy of a red card.
'In the eyes of the referee'. This was the bit which made me think, ah, they didn't agree.
But I've recycled the paper now so it'll have to remain shrouded in mystery.
Originally posted by asromacalcioI'll take your word for it.
From memory, if that's OK, it was something like,
Rooney pushed Carvalho and then trod on him, something which in the eyes of the referee was worthy of a red card.
'In the eyes of the referee'. This was the bit which made me think, ah, they didn't agree.
But I've recycled the paper now so it'll have to remain shrouded in mystery.
Besides, it's not really clear if they disagreed or not, but since I don't read the italian press, I don't know how they react in such situations. Either way, it's over now. Good luck for the final, I'll be rooting for Zidane, though. The guy deserves an epic finale for his career.
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Originally posted by PalynkaHe does, but retiring at 34 is a bit soft if you ask me. Besides which he's already won everything.
I'll take your word for it.
Besides, it's not really clear if they disagreed or not, but since I don't read the italian press, I don't know how they react in such situations. Either way, it's over now. Good luck for the final, I'll be rooting for Zidane, though. The guy deserves an epic finale for his career.
Oh and Cannavaro is better.
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Originally posted by PalynkaHere's what the gazzetta dello sport says:
Can you quote and, if possible, translate it?
...poi al 17' la possibile svolta della gara: Rooney spinge Carvalho, che cade, e lo calpesta: per l'argentino Elizondo ci sono gli estremi per il cartellino rosso.
Translation:
"Then, at the 17th minute, the possible turning point of the match. Rooney pushes Carvalho, who falls, and steps on him: for the Argentine Elizondo this is sufficiently drastic to warrant a red card."
Doesn't back up the ref, but doesn't sound all that critical either.
The article in question is here:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Mondiale_2006/Primo_Piano/2006/07_Luglio/01/ingh-por.shtml
Originally posted by jgvaccaroPretty much what I remembered, just a few minor additions, and no, as you say, they could and I'm sure would have been far more explicit if in agreement.
Here's what the gazzetta dello sport says:
...poi al 17' la possibile svolta della gara: Rooney spinge Carvalho, che cade, e lo calpesta: per l'argentino Elizondo ci sono gli estremi per il cartellino rosso.
Translation:
"Then, at the 17th minute, the possible turning point of the match. Rooney pushes Carvalho, who falls, and steps on hi ...[text shortened]... http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Mondiale_2006/Primo_Piano/2006/07_Luglio/01/ingh-por.shtml
Originally posted by asromacalcioYou are insane if you think Cannavaro is better.
He does, but retiring at 34 is a bit soft if you ask me. Besides which he's already won everything.
Oh and Cannavaro is better.
Cannavaro is amazing and one of the best defenders I've seen in my life, but Zidane is one of the game's true greats. He'll be remembered alongside the likes of Maradona, Pele, Cruyff. Cannavaro hardly will be.
Originally posted by PalynkaNot so much insane as insanely biased.
You are insane if you think Cannavaro is better.
Cannavaro is amazing and one of the best defenders I've seen in my life, but Zidane is one of the game's true greats. He'll be remembered alongside the likes of Maradona, Pele, Cruyff. Cannavaro hardly will be.
However ZZ has had a good tourney but in spite of this is not the player he was, and to be frank, I think that on CURRENT ABILITY alone, Cannavaro is better. But as far as history goes, Zidane will be remembered, rightly, as one of the greatss
Originally posted by asromacalcioAgreed, Zizou is not the player he was. Coming back from national team retirement to help his national team struggling to qualify in a weak group and then leading it to the final is as epic as it comes.
Not so much insane as insanely biased.
However ZZ has had a good tourney but in spite of this is not the player he was, and to be frank, I think that on CURRENT ABILITY alone, Cannavaro is better. But as far as history goes, Zidane will be remembered, rightly, as one of the greatss
Besides Italy are immensely strong so there's the 'rooting for the underdog' factor as well.
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Originally posted by PalynkaPortugese reply.
No, it isn't. For the 100th time. La Marca and L'Equipe (for example) agree it was definitely a red card.
Open your friggin eyes.
Proves my point.
Thanks.
In any case, I would rather believe what my eyes were telling me as opposed to what a couple of supposedly reputable European sports writing plonkers tell me.
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Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveEnglish reply:
Portugese reply.
Proves my point.
Thanks.
Rooney stamped on Carvalho, regardless of what went before it he deserved to be shown a card for retaliation. Pushing Ronaldo away didn't help his cause either.
It was just like watching Beckham at '98 - arguably it was not a foul that warranted a card, but the matter of retaliation which made it a straight Red.
Edit: I'm not happy about the outcome, I'm just fed-up of my fellow Englishmans inability to admit that we had it there to win and blew it, through Rooney, and then the soft penalties. Galant Losers as always, hard done by as always.