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Originally posted by Tirau DanSorry, bud, you can't have it both ways.
No bias at all and I love rough hard rugby. I like the hard stuf in a tight low scoring game over the open headless chicken style so often attempted today. From all thr tri nations games I saw The SA's were downright dirty and openly so. Most SA fans were upset and said they lacked discipline.
You have consistently rubbished every ref that pinged the b t your belief that they are ALL out to get SA is wrong and offensive to sports fans and to SA.
So some player gets close to the eyes of an opponent with his fingers and you froth at the mouth, but it's OK to ruck a player's balls off?
You are a hypocrite. Either let the 'dirty' continue, or none at all.
The boks were dirty in the TN? I suppose you thought it was OK for that moron Brad Thorn to wreck half of John Smit's season, because it was just a dangerous, possibly career ending spear after the whistle, that could've broken John's neck? Thank GOD he didn't accidentally brush his fingers over John's cheek, eh? THAT would've been DIRTY.
I get pissed off if refs are not consistent. This has been my argument for years - you just can't seem to understand this. If a ref doesn't call something, then he must be consistent both ways.
The boks almost always get the short en of the stick and this is the way it's been for years. Maybe the refs have the same misconceptions as you have about how dirty the bok players are and they show the same bias you do?
If it's so obvious, please list articles for every season for the last 10 years of a bok gauging eyes or biting, because I remember 1 case of a bok player biting an opponent - Johan le Roux and I can't even remember an eye gouge from a bok player before Bismarck du Plessis earlier this year.
For every foul play you list, I could list the same by any other rugby nation. Just because the ref doesn't pick it up - you are right, the boks don't really have 'foul finesse', they almost always get caught - doesn't mean it didn't happen, now does it?
The thing is, the boks try to play within the rules, but get frustrated by the refs inconsistency and general incompetence and that's when they lose their tempers. So as you can see, if we get some proper, consistent calling from refs, then the boks will never lose their temper and possibly revert to foul play.
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Originally posted by Tirau Danthank you.
Sincere good luck.. this really is the NZ first string of players your going up against even if they have had a week off they'll be in their from the whistle.
i know, my jaw hit the floor when i saw the lineup.....makes it all the sweeter when will win though 😉
theres something about new zealand and france, we just can't beat them.
and to rub it in, you could only buy tickets for the new zealand match if you bought one for the french 6 nation game 🙄 same with the argentina friendly and the england 6 nations match. what a joke.
Originally posted by trev33Yes I heard the ticket buying process was up the duff.. no wonder they have a problem with scalping and I couldn;t believe how many sat dishes in UK.. we have a share here but every shed has one there haha.
thank you.
i know, my jaw hit the floor when i saw the lineup.....makes it all the sweeter when will win though 😉
theres something about new zealand and france, we just can't beat them.
and to rub it in, you could only buy tickets for the new zealand match if you bought one for the french 6 nation game 🙄 same with the argentina friendly and the england 6 nations match. what a joke.
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Originally posted by trev33We aren't going to agree on this.
thank you.
i know, my jaw hit the floor when i saw the lineup.....makes it all the sweeter when will win though 😉
theres something about new zealand and france, we just can't beat them.
and to rub it in, you could only buy tickets for the new zealand match if you bought one for the french 6 nation game 🙄 same with the argentina friendly and the england 6 nations match. what a joke.
Thorn was dead lucky in my opinion and I would have been totally happy to see him out for the season at least. But the ref and touch judge agreed he lift smit and dropped him. According to the officials there was no downward thrust so it wasn't a spear.. end of it! Plenty of fuel to rant about though .
I condemn dangerous foul play by anyone and don't advocate any more than bring back hard play. If you lay on the ball , make no effort to get off it and you get your balls rucked tough luck buddy.. thats rugby.. just stay away from the head.... harden up but stay off heads and out of eyes.. we may ruck but your guys grab balls haha poooftas.
NZ have finesse at playing the game to the rules and adjusting well to refereeing interpretations quickly to get the best from the game. This is what all teams have to learn. The finesse is not in fouling it finesse in playing to the rules and the ref.. get some finesse and your perceived reffing problems will disappear.
Read any international players biography and they all say the same.
The press have had a field day in the past and will in the future.
Whats changed since this in 2003:
http://aru.rugby.com.au/news/bad_boks_to_clean_up_act,11596.html
http://wesclark.com/rrr/tasty.jpg SA cannibal.
sa spear same as thorns
Note thorn didn't hurt his neck just his groin..
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Originally posted by Tirau DanI pretty much agree with you about hard play, please don't think that I'm trying to defend eye gougers! All I'm saying is that boks don't do it. The only incident I remember is Du Plessis and one indiscretion by a player doesn't mean you can start tarring and feathering a rich history of bok rugby.
We aren't going to agree on this.
Thorn was dead lucky in my opinion and I would have been totally happy to see him out for the season at least. But the ref and touch judge agreed he lift smit and dropped him. According to the officials there was no downward thrust so it wasn't a spear.. end of it! Plenty of fuel to rant about though http://www.youtube your dirty players.
Read any international players biography and they all say the same.
I would love it if players could start rucking properly again, because the modern game has turned into a game of seeing who can kill the attacking quick ball without being pinged.
The thing that pisses off me and all the rugby public in SA is the FACT that if Smit had done the same to Thorn, for example, he would've gotten a harsher penalty.
It's a reality that the bias against SA rugby's perceived foul attitude is fouling up the judiciary and the referees - this means SA players get unfairly punished in games and afterwards in citings.
Thorn should've been yellow carded, even red carded. Why wasn't he? Because he doesn't wear the bok jersey.
Originally posted by CrowleySmit got three weeks in July after appeal.
Here's a bok spearing a NZ player. Guess what happens to him?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vjQwfoaA9qg
The Irish player with reddened the cheek of The SA player in October got 18 weeks. we could trade these all night but all I'm trying to say is there isn't a plot or conspiracy against SA. You'd enjoy the game alot more if you just left it that refs are hum and make mistakes or at least make decisions that some of us like to disagree with.
On a lighter note I actually got to play 20mins in (not so Golden) oldies game last weekend... best thing to say "I survived".. we won.. both sides drank lots..
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Originally posted by Tirau DanYou're absolutely right, there is no conspiracy.
all I'm trying to say is there isn't a plot or conspiracy against SA.
Most refs just seem to suffer from the same BS bias you have against the Springboks, who are, if anything, the cleanest side at the moment - and hand out harsher punishment to bok players most of the time - while missing transgressions by their opponents.
Do yourself a favour and see if you can't watch a recording of the Wales vs SA test from Saturday, to see this in action.
Originally posted by CrowleyI'm right... no conspiracy then you say SA are the cleanest side around at the moment and that most refs are biased against you.. so you mean the majority of refs have formed this bias inpendently without conspiracy. But evry fan I've spoke to inc SA's says the boks must learn discipline to avoid getting pinged. I like to watch SA games with neutrality.. I love watching hard games. If I thought they were the little innocents you say, I'd agree with you openly. I haven't heard this therory from anyone else.
You're absolutely right, there is no conspiracy.
Most refs just seem to suffer from the same BS bias you have against the Springboks, who are, if anything, the cleanest side at the moment - and hand out harsher punishment to bok players most of the time - while missing transgressions by their opponents.
Do yourself a favour and see if you can't watch a recording of the Wales vs SA test from Saturday, to see this in action.
We'll continue to watch this season with interest.. have the SA foe settled down to become Saint Boks..
The news tonight is that the Irish are rapt that they are to face the full strength ABs at the home of Gaelic Footy in front of 91,000 mental rugger fans in green. It's gonna be awesome.
Originally posted by Tirau DanI'm not talking about mistakes in games - just real foul play tactics.
so you mean the majority of refs have formed this bias inpendently without conspiracy. But evry fan I've spoke to inc SA's says the boks must learn discipline to avoid getting pinged.
The refs have obviously developed this bias over the years, as the boks USED TO BE quite a dirty bunch.
Not anymore, but the bias continues.
Anyway, some predictions:
The Irish can talk a big game, but the ABs will beat them solidly.
NZ 30 - 18 Ire
If the Scots play the same game plan they employed against the ABs, they will see their asses.
SA 35 - 15 Sco
11 Munster players in the Irish side for Saturday and then when the Abs play Munster mid week for Munsters special celebration of their 12-0 win in 1978 over the abs they are playing 3 NZers inc Doug Howlett and Rua Titoki but have all their int players away. We are playing our dirt trackers too. Shame this game had to go ahead... stupid really.
SA v Sco 28-22 to SA
Originally posted by CrowleySome of those gooses interpretation of coming through the gate closes down some heavy aspects of rucking. This is a contact sport!
Sanity! At last!
Also this "crouch, touch, pause, engage" at the scrum is so varied even our Super 14 refs annoy bejeeezus out of me.
Dont worry mate, the Boks should whack Scotland. The Wobblies will do it hard against the English unless they tighten up their line outs. We suck at even thowing the ball in straight. It is a crime i tells ya! May as well hand over the ball every time it goes out! The local fith grade drunks throw it in better!