@fmf saidTrump is rich because of his dad. I'll give him some credit for finding a large-enough voting block to adopt and get elected. Rest of the credit goes to his TV show for establishing him as a 'brand', and to the Dems for picking a nominee with equally high negatives in the polls.
Like the Kardashians, he is only famous for being famous.
Unlike the Kardashians, he is famous for having been the U.S. president, the leader of the free world, commander in chief of the U.S. military, most powerful man in the world etc. etc. All thanks to self promotion.
@fmf saidWell, he did get some help from a wacky electoral college system which mysteriously handed him the 2016 election although the other candidate polled more popular votes. On his next try, the system functioned correctly to defeat his attempt to game the same system. I'd say he is more infamous than famous, but still without any talent for anything but self-profiling.
Like the Kardashians, he is only famous for being famous.
Unlike the Kardashians, he is famous for having been the U.S. president, the leader of the free world, commander in chief of the U.S. military, most powerful man in the world etc. etc. All thanks to self promotion.
Same with the Kardashians: zero talent, just self-profiling. All sizzle, no steak.
@moonbus saidWell, he did get some help from a wacky electoral college system which mysteriously handed him the 2016 election although the other candidate polled more popular votes.
Well, he did get some help from a wacky electoral college system which mysteriously handed him the 2016 election although the other candidate polled more popular votes. On his next try, the system functioned correctly to defeat his attempt to game the same system. I'd say he is more infamous than famous, but still without any talent for anything but self-profiling.
Same with the Kardashians: zero talent, just self-profiling. All sizzle, no steak.
He wouldn't have been anywhere near the electoral college without his avid and relentless self-promotion ~ his TV program being chief among it, as BigDogg pointed out. For Trump and his tens of millions of supporters, his self-promotion was "good" and not "bad".
@fmf saidHe got to be a candidate in 2016 through self-promotion; how he got to be president was not due to self-promotion. That was due to a quirk of the electoral college system in America. Yes, he is a brand, that is what Trump is and that is all he is. His recent 'offering' was to sell images of himself photoshopped into various costumes. Laughable. And yes, some people laud this kind of thing, but that still doesn't make it good. The man is tasteless and boorish. The relentless promotion of tasteless and boorish self-promotion is not good; it's tasteless and boorish, and the fact that he promotes that relentlessly is more tasteless and more boorish.
Well, he did get some help from a wacky electoral college system which mysteriously handed him the 2016 election although the other candidate polled more popular votes.
He wouldn't have been anywhere near the electoral college without his avid and relentless self-promotion ~ his TV program being chief among it, as BigDogg pointed out. For Trump and his tens of millions of supporters, his self-promotion was "good" and not "bad".
@moonbus saidHe got to be a candidate in 2016 through self-promotion; how he got to be president was not due to self-promotion.
He got to be a candidate in 2016 through self-promotion; how he got to be president was not due to self-promotion. That was due to a quirk of the electoral college system in America.
His campaign was pure "Outsider brand", "Successful businessman brand", "Be rude to people in the establishment and elites brand"; his campaign was an identity politics brand and cult of personality brand rolled into one: it was industrial-grade self-promotion. He would not have been anywhere near winning the presidency without all that.
@moonbus saidThe man is tasteless and boorish. The relentless promotion of tasteless and boorish self-promotion is not good; it's tasteless and boorish, and the fact that he promotes that relentlessly is more tasteless and more boorish.
He got to be a candidate in 2016 through self-promotion; how he got to be president was not due to self-promotion. That was due to a quirk of the electoral college system in America. Yes, he is a brand, that is what Trump is and that is all he is. His recent 'offering' was to sell images of himself photoshopped into various costumes. Laughable. And yes, some people lau ...[text shortened]... ess and boorish, and the fact that he promotes that relentlessly is more tasteless and more boorish.
You'll be telling me bears poo in the woods next.
@fmf saidThe thread question asks whether self promotion is good. I propose to answer this, and I claim that self promotion, simply, for the sake of self promotion is not good. Self promotion is good if the person who is promoting himself has some substantial content which can be evaluated, by whatever criteria, as good or not good. when John Lennon said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus that was self promotion. you may disagree with the comparison with Jesus, but you must admit that the Beatles had a considerable amount of musical content to offer. Donald Trump promotes himself, but without any content. Trump himself admitted to a journalist that the only reason he ran for the presidency was to be more famous than his pals. In other words, Trump, like the Kardashians, is famous for nothing but being famous. I claim in answer to the thread question that this not good.
He got to be a candidate in 2016 through self-promotion; how he got to be president was not due to self-promotion.
His campaign was pure "Outsider brand", "Successful businessman brand", "Be rude to people in the establishment and elites brand"; his campaign was an identity politics brand and cult of personality brand rolled into one: it was industrial-grade self-promotion. He would not have been anywhere near winning the presidency without all that.
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@moonbus saidI think it has been good for Trump and is seen as good by the 70,000,000 or so people voted for him. This doesn't mean I personally think Trump is good.
The thread question asks whether self promotion is good. I propose to answer this, and I claim that self promotion, simply, for the sake of self promotion is not good. Self promotion is good if the person who is promoting himself has some substantial content which can be evaluated, by whatever criteria, as good or not good. when John Lennon said the Beatles were more popular ...[text shortened]... is famous for nothing but being famous. I claim in answer to the thread question that this not good.
@moonbus saidTrump, like the Kardashians, is famous for nothing but being famous.
The thread question asks whether self promotion is good. I propose to answer this, and I claim that self promotion, simply, for the sake of self promotion is not good. Self promotion is good if the person who is promoting himself has some substantial content which can be evaluated, by whatever criteria, as good or not good. when John Lennon said the Beatles were more popular ...[text shortened]... is famous for nothing but being famous. I claim in answer to the thread question that this not good.
I think he's even more famous now for having been the U.S. president.
