02 Mar 09
Originally posted by NordlysBut it depends on the change and the illness, so I don't think the comparison works. For example, what do you think of suicide as a response to the fever?
No. I am comparing failing to make significant positive changes to your life because you are ill with failing to make significant positive changes to your life because you are ill.
02 Mar 09
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Maybe you do/maybe you don't but if you do hold with the belief that there is a first cause, an unmoved mover, an almighty and omniscient
deity responsible for providing your life and breath in the first place, it seems to follow: (1) That he knows the right time, place and manner
of your death; (2) That it is the epitome of human arrogance to take matters into your own hands by superimposing your own will upon his.
02 Mar 09
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWith reference to 2) above; isn't it possible that the suicide is actually, in what he does and when he does it and how he does it, according to 1) above, completing the act of God's will?
Maybe you do/maybe you don't but if you do hold with the belief that there is a first cause, an unmoved mover, an almighty and omniscient
deity responsible for providing your life and breath in the first place, it seems to follow: (1) That he knows the right time, place and manner
of your death; (2) That it is the epitome of human arrogance to take matters into your own hands by superimposing your own will upon his.
How do we, in our arrogance as humans, know that suicide is not a will of God? How do we know that suicide is a superimposition, and not the will of God in its own outright way?
02 Mar 09
Originally posted by mikelomYes, his permissive rather than express will. Though his omniscience knew, he's a gentleman and doesn't presume to intrude upon our will.
With reference to 2) above; isn't it possible that the suicide is actually, in what he does and when he does it and how he does it, according to 1) above, completing the act of God's will?
How do we, in our arrogance as humans, know that suicide is not a will of God? How do we know that suicide is a superimposition, and not the will of God in its own outright way?
02 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaI think that's very unlikely to happen. You still make suicide sound like a fun thing that people choose because they think it's a good choice.
But it depends on the change and the illness, so I don't think the comparison works. For example, what do you think of suicide as a response to the fever?
02 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaNo, I didn't say that or imply it at all. I just suggested that when people read things into your opinion which are not there, it is indeed possible that they are deliberately misrepresenting you, but it's also possible that you haven't articulated your opinion well enough to be able to expect people to read in it what you wrote in it.
When people read what they want and not what's there, I lose all will to explain myself. I make it sound like fun? Really?
I don't think you're equating suicide and a day at the zoo by any means, but I still have no idea what the connection between ethics and your personal empathy is, in your opinion.
02 Mar 09
Originally posted by Palynkayou've spent the entire thread defending what amounts to an insensitive unrealistic, and overly simplistic view point. The fault doesn't lay with everyone else. Palynka, you need to look inward.
When people read what they want and not what's there, I lose all will to explain myself. I make it sound like fun? Really?