Originally posted by gameover9a/ yes thank you.
[b]Can anybody think of a good reason why it is kept illegal? When you smoke marijuana are you still fully aware of your actions? Would you be able to make an important decision?
Exclude the mind altering effects as if you use this, then alcohol should also be illegal. Alcohol is not the problem. It would not affect their minds if they would drink modestly.
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b/ one can smoke modestly too.
Marijuanna compared to Heroine ??? Where is the logic??? [/b]As defined by the Canadian Oxford Dictionary:
Marijuana: ... an intoxicating "drug" ...
Heroin: ... a white crystalline analgesic "drug" ...
So in other words, when I smoke a joint ... I feel high. And when I inject heroin, I also feel high. Therefore, I can compare the two.
Now,
Theft is defined as : the act of stealing, the dishonest appropriation of another's property with the intent to deprive him or her of it permanently.
Rape is defined as : the action or act of forcing a person to have sexual intercourse unwillingly.
I hope that clarifies any misunderstanding between two illicit drugs (i.e marijuana & heroin) & two things that have nothing in common.
Note: Marijuana (drug) & heroin (drug) = same catergorie.
Theft (stealing) and rape (forcing) = two different things.
D.
Originally posted by dannypitany
I hope that clarifies any misunderstanding between two illicit drugs (i.e marijuana & heroin) & two things that have nothing in common.
I would venture a large percentage of 7 year olds could find the common link between Theft and Murder.. It starts with a 'C' and rhymes with 'Slime'. Perhaps I should post this under the puzzlers section for you ?
Originally posted by pcaspianYou must be a politician ... You are now changing your comparison from theft & rape to theft & murder.
Originally posted by dannypitany
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I hope that clarifies any misunderstanding between two illicit drugs (i.e marijuana & heroin) & two things that have nothing in common.
I would venture a large percentage of 7 year olds could find the common link between Theft and Murder.. It starts with a 'C' and rhymes with 'Slime'. Perhaps I should post this under the puzzlers section for you ?
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I do agree that the above mentioned acts are "crimes" (some are even "slimy"😉.
But you can not tell me that you would feel the same way if someone stole your minivan or if someone raped your daughter or if someone murdered a loved one.
Come on. Lets get seriuos here.
When you smoke a joint, you get "high", right? Can we agree on that. And if you inject your body with heroin you will also get "high", right?
The degree may be different, but in the end, you got "high".
Now if somebody just raped my daughter & on the same night I found out that my car got stolen, which do you think would be of my concern?
It's like comparing apples to oranges. I just have a hard time understanding the link between bloody rape and theft (other than the fact that they are categorized as crimes)
D.
P.S. I do not want to sound condescending ( I apologize if I do).
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Originally posted by dannypitany
You must be a politician ... You are now changing your comparison from theft & rape to theft & murder.
The analogy is one where theft is the significant lesser evil of rape/murder in a similar way that a joint is significantly less evil that heroine.
The issue at hand is not the extent to which you 'enjoy' your joint, but the harm it causes you. I get a high from going down space mountain, yet that remains perfectly legal, provided ofcourse I'm atleast 4 foot tall and have a valid ticket. Marijuanna is significantly less harmfull (and addictive) than heroine, yet it still causes harm (in the same way theft [in most cases] is significantly less harmfull than rape/murder).
Simply put, comparing a small evil with a greater evil (in order to argue it's legality) is futile.
cheers
Originally posted by pcaspianVery well put...
Originally posted by dannypitany
[b]You must be a politician ... You are now changing your comparison from theft & rape to theft & murder.
The analogy is one where theft is the significant lesser evil of rape/murder in a similar way that a joint is significantly less evil that heroine.
The issue at hand is not the extent to which you ...[text shortened]... paring a small evil with a greater evil (in order to argue it's legality) is futile.
cheers[/b]
But I 'll be honest with you ... I have never done (nor would I be interested in trying) heroin. But if heroin is anything like the marijuana nowadays, boy-oh-boy I would not even want to venture down that road.
Example. The last time I smoked a joint I had given myself three options : #1 Go to hospital (for some de-tox!). # 2 Lie here and die or # 3 Snap the hell out of it and sober up (well I opted for # 3).
But my point being that marijuana is very strong. It's (often) been laced with this, that & the other thing. It's to a point where the smoker is no longer getting "high" from the THC alone, but instead from what it has been laced with (either cocaine, heroin, rat poison-you name it, it has probably been laced with it).
So, yeah, this is how I am comparing the two.
Just the other day, I had a friend ask me if I knew anybody that had some pot that wasn't so potent!!!
Oh well, I get your point about the smaller & greater evils ... Thanks for the input.
Cheers to you as well,
D.
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Originally posted by chaswrayThat's warmer, but you're still wrong. It was actually banned because of the threat to the logging industry...
Actually, it was made illegal during the depression era. And it was more of a racist "banning". A great many of Mexican workers who had come to the American southwest smoked marijuana, as did black jazz musicians. The white society blamed them for a lot of crime during those times and marijuana was a scapegoat! Religion really had nothing to do with it.
Regards,
Charlie
You do of course know of the wide variety of uses that the cannabis plant can be put to? Well hemp was threatening to be a much superior source of paper than trees (and still is, though I haven't heard much about it recently).
Of course there was no way to complain about that, so instead they found it far easier to make a big scare about the drug usage amongst the mostly black/mexican immigrants, along with appropriate lobbying of congress and ...voila! Cannabis becomes illegal to grow.
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Originally posted by gameover91)Absolutely 100% fully aware of my actions. (I can't say the same after booze)
[b]Can anybody think of a good reason why it is kept illegal? When you smoke marijuana are you still fully aware of your actions? Would you be able to make an important decision?
Exclude the mind altering effects as if you use this, then alcohol should also be illegal. Alcohol is not the problem. It would not affect their minds if they would drink modestly.
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2) Yes, I could make an important decision. No problem at all. It would probably just take a little longer.
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Originally posted by darvlayI've asked this question earlier in the thread.
And also, why on Earth do you Marijuana smokers out there want pot to be decriminalized? You'll all just end up paying more for it! Don't we pay enough tax as it is?
How is anybody going to tax me for my plant on the balcony which is there for my own personal use? By taxing seeds? I buy 1 seed and pay tax, then my plant produces loads of seeds.
The laws aren't massively strict in Ireland, you still get a record and a fine normally, but america's mj laws seem completely ridiculous. Why should somebody who likes some cannedbliss and is likely to hurt exactly noone get 25 years prison, when murderers/rapists can be out after 10? Absolutely potty (if you'll excuse the pun 😉
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Originally posted by MayharmHere's an excellent link to the history of marijuana... http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html It kind of proves you all right regarding why it is illegal. Banned for religious reasons, banned cos of hate of Mexicans, banned due to threat to logging industry, banned due to threat to pharma companies.
That's warmer, but you're still wrong. It was actually banned because of the threat to the logging industry...
I think Anslinger's quotes are brilliant. Another great example of government bodies using hate, fear, racism and lies to achieve the aims of the corporations.
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing". SVW must have been around in Anslingers time. 😉
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThanks for the info Ivan,
If you want to know more about the health risks and the use of cannabis please visit:...
In the interests of fairness, could you copy and paste the priory's section on alcohol as well. Or are the adverse affects of alcohol ok, seeing as jesus himself dealed it out left, right and centre?
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Originally posted by dannypitanyThe "high" which you speak of from heroin is nothing like the "high" from marijuana, so really comparing those two is just as absurd as comparing theft to murder or theft to rape or whatever...
As defined by the Canadian Oxford Dictionary:
Marijuana: ... an intoxicating "drug" ...
Heroin: ... a white crystalline analgesic "drug" ...
So in other words, when I smoke a joint ... I feel high. And when I inject heroin, I also feel high. Therefore, I can compare the two.
Now,
Theft is defined as : the act of stealing, the dishonest a ...[text shortened]... e catergorie.
Theft (stealing) and rape (forcing) = two different things.
D.
Originally posted by darvlayYeah, I'd say it could be a gateway drug.
Just to play devil's advocate and touch on a reason not yet mentioned. Would any of you stoners deny that marijuana is a "gateway drug"? i.e. Have you smoked weed (leisurely or regularly) and never tried LSD, hash, cocaine, zoomers, etc.?
BUT, I'm not sure what the reasons for it being a gateway drug are. Is it because users constantly need a better high, OR is it because of the shady people u have to deal with when buying your mj.
I personally reckon its the latter. Another good reason to legalise.
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btw: what's a zoomer? It sounds interesting. =)