Originally posted by no1marauderWhat is this series you are constantly referencing that has so poisoned you against Rogers? It must be the 1999 NLCS against Atlanta, but I don't recall the specifics.
Kenny Rogers post season stats are 0-3 with an 8.85 ERA and 32 hits allowed in 20.1 IP. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerStats?categoryId=85376
Plus he managed to walk in a run as the last "play" to lose an NLCS.
Wait, I've found it:
BRAVES 11TH: ROGERS REPLACED DUNSTON (PITCHING); Williams
doubled to left; Boone out on a sacrifice bunt (first
unassisted) [Williams to third]; C. Jones was walked
intentionally; Jordan was walked intentionally [C. Jones to
second]; A. Jones walked [Williams scored, C. Jones to third,
Jordan to second]; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 3 LOB. Mets 9, Braves 10.
It sounds more like Bobby Valentine is an idiot to me. Intentionally walk two batters? I can't fathom why anyone would do that. The Mets deserved to lose.
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Originally posted by rwingettThe winning run was on third with one out; it sets up a force at each base and is standard strategy. Are you sure you've ever actually watched a baseball game?
What is this series you are constantly referencing that has so poisoned you against Rogers? It must be the 1999 NLCS against Atlanta, but I don't recall the specifics.
Wait, I've found it:
[i/]BRAVES 11TH: ROGERS REPLACED DUNSTON (PITCHING); Williams
doubled to left; Boone out on a sacrifice bunt (first
unassisted) [Williams to third]; C. Jones was ...[text shortened]... ionally walk two batters? I can't fathom why anyone would do that. The Mets deserved to lose.
Originally posted by no1marauderI can see walking one batter to set up the double play. But merely setting up a force at each base is outweighed by the threat of walking in a batter. The first intentional walk was sufficient. The second is just asking for trouble.
The winning run was on third with one out; it sets up a force at each base and is standard strategy. Are you sure you've ever actually watched a baseball game?
A competant manager would have moved all the fielders in and gone for the first out with the man at third. If they got it then you'd walk a man and set up the double play. THAT is proper strategy. Walking two consecutive men is a losing strategy, as the results clearly show.
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Originally posted by rwingettWith Kenny Rogers pitching in the playoffs, ANY strategy is a losing one. There was already a man out; double then sacrifice bunt. If you walk just one man, you have to play back and hope for the double play and if you don't get one you can turn, you lose. It also depends on the batters but as I said it is standard strategy; no one likes to lose because a ground ball was hit too slow to turn a DP and only a terrible pitcher walks a winning run in
I can see walking one batter to set up the double play. But merely setting up a force at each base is outweighed by the threat of walking in a batter. The first intentional walk was sufficient. The second is just asking for trouble.
A competant manager would have moved all the fielders in and gone for the first out with the man at third. If they got it proper strategy. Walking two consecutive men is a losing strategy, as the results clearly show.
EDIT: Jordan was a fast runner and Valentine might have though a DP was unlikely. Back in 1999, Andrew Jones was a free swinger and struck out a lot. Makes sense to me.
Originally posted by no1marauderI still think it's a bad strategy. You've just had your pitcher throw 8 consecutive balls to load the bases. And then you expect him to immediately turn it around and find his command of the strike zone? Good luck with that. You're just setting yourself up for disaster in my opinion. I say if there's no compelling reason to load the bases, then don't do it. And setting up a force at any base is not a compelling reason.
With Kenny Rogers pitching in the playoffs, ANY strategy is a losing one. There was already a man out; double then sacrifice bunt. If you walk just one man, you have to play back and hope for the double play and if you don't get one you can turn, you lose. It also depends on the batters but as I said it is standard strategy; no one likes to lose because ...[text shortened]... nlikely. Back in 1999, Andrew Jones was a free swinger and struck out a lot. Makes sense to me.
Originally posted by no1marauderWell, well...your old nemesis, Rogers, continues to vex you. By doing well, instead of poorly, this time around. A shutout no less. Your back is up against the wall, No.1. And with Wright going tomorrow, you may never make it back to NY. The Tigers have risen to the occasion and played well when they had to. I don't think there's a sportswriter in the nation who would have predicted the Tigers would be up 2 games to 1 at this point.
With Kenny Rogers pitching in the playoffs, ANY strategy is a losing one. There was already a man out; double then sacrifice bunt. If you walk just one man, you have to play back and hope for the double play and if you don't get one you can turn, you lose. It also depends on the batters but as I said it is standard strategy; no one likes to lose because ...[text shortened]... nlikely. Back in 1999, Andrew Jones was a free swinger and struck out a lot. Makes sense to me.
Originally posted by rwingettit's looking good for the Tigers. Since my Twins bit the dust I'm with Detroit all of the way.
Well, well...your old nemesis, Rogers, continues to vex you. By doing well, instead of poorly, this time around. A shutout no less. Your back is up against the wall, No.1. And with Wright going tomorrow, you may never make it back to NY. The Tigers have risen to the occasion and played well when they had to. I don't think there's a sportswriter in the nation who would have predicted the Tigers would be up 2 games to 1 at this point.
But I will hate them next season.
Originally posted by rwingettIt is certainly ironic. But if Rogers can finally win a post-season game anything can happen. Wright's actually pitched well the last month or so though he can usually only go 6 at most and our middle relief has been a horror. It won't matter if the bats don't wake up. Still I think the series will go back to New York if only because it would be such an anti-climax otherwise.
Well, well...your old nemesis, Rogers, continues to vex you. By doing well, instead of poorly, this time around. A shutout no less. Your back is up against the wall, No.1. And with Wright going tomorrow, you may never make it back to NY. The Tigers have risen to the occasion and played well when they had to. I don't think there's a sportswriter in the nation who would have predicted the Tigers would be up 2 games to 1 at this point.
Originally posted by ChaswrayWhat a game. Simply amazing. We shut out the Yankees for 20 innings, or so, before they finally scored again. Bonderman was brilliant. What a post game celebration. I've never seen anything like it before. What a difference a week makes. World Series, here we come.
Alex Rodriquez' 2006 salary? $25,680,727
Alex Rodrquez' 2006 post season hits? 1
Number of Yankee Series victorys since PayRod became a Yankee? 0
Watching PayRod choke in the post season? PRICELESS!!!!!
TIGERS IN 4!!!!!!
PS. Whatever happened to the "Tiger Collapse Watch" thread?😛😛
Originally posted by rwingettDid you see that interview with Leyland a minute ago? The guy's trying to talk and someone comes along and champaignes him in the face, lol.
What a game. Simply amazing. We shut out the Yankees for 20 innings, or so, before they finally scored again. Bonderman was brilliant. What a post game celebration. I've never seen anything like it before. What a difference a week makes. World Series, here we come.
Great game, great celebration, great series, great future.
Perhaps the best result is that they Yanks are going to have trouble keeping the team together. A-Rod's probably gone along with Williams and Torre. All I have to say about that is that it's about time.
Next up is Oakland. Any predictions? I'm thinking Detroit in 6.
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Originally posted by rwingettI've been following baseball for some 50 years now and I'd be hard pressed to come up with another post season pitching perfomance to match the two games just pitched by Rogers and Bonderman. The '68 series perfomance of Gibson and Lolich comes to mind, but they weren't on the same team!
What a game. Simply amazing. We shut out the Yankees for 20 innings, or so, before they finally scored again. Bonderman was brilliant. What a post game celebration. I've never seen anything like it before. What a difference a week makes. World Series, here we come.
Oakland-Detroit should go 7 games. It should be great pitching by both squads and just too darn close to call. My heart says Tigers but my mind says A's