Originally posted by belgianfreakAbsolute rubbish, they don't want to move because they don't want to get another loss. The flipside of this is true when they are winning, they want to get the win as soon as possible.
maybe because when they are winning they can easily see what to do, and when they are losing they struggle to know what to do next. I know I've just thrown a won game (threw my queen away in a 'didn't mean to hit move' error) and haven't moved for over a week because I'm now 3 points+ down and can't see a way back.
PS) If you can't see a way back, resign
Originally posted by flexmoreWhy have I lost my temper just because I told someone to Bog Off. I'm an adult i'm able to keep a better check on my emotions. Are you either happy 🙂 or sad 🙁 at all times little one?
struggle on when the times are tough ... calmly do your best.
either that or just lose your temper at random bystanders and tell them to "BOG OFF!"
have you ever flipped the board upside down when you drew a won game?
Originally posted by ChavvieI've done some math with the ratings calculator (gone now, anyone know where there is another online??)... and I found you get more points if you resign lost games RIGHT AWAY and work for your wins.
Absolute rubbish, they don't want to move because they don't want to get another loss. The flipside of this is true when they are winning, they want to get the win as soon as possible.
PS) If you can't see a way back, resign
People who stall their games are only hurting their ratings... that is what the math told me based on 10 games or so, 5 won and 5 lost.
Resign the lost games as they come... waiting will not help if you are going to lose anyway.
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Originally posted by belgianfreakThe pieces aren't going to move on their own. It only takes so long to analyse a position to the best of your ability regardless of whether you are winning or losing.
who said I was waiting to lose anyway? I'm just spending longer trying to work out a decent way forward.
'Spending longer to try and work out a way forward'????
Sounds like stalling to me.
All I was trying to do was give you a different perspective as to why someone might move slower in a game when they're behind - not absolutely lost by the way, just behind. From your answers it would seem that you believe that any opinion apart form your own is wrong. Length of delay aside, can you not conceed that someone might take longer to plan a move when behind? I only have time to move two or three time a week normally, and if I'm lost as to what to do next that'll slow to one a week or less. Are you saying that this automatically makes me unsporting with alterior motives?
nb. I never take timeouts, so what have I to gain by stalling?
Originally posted by ChavvieWhy can't one use the time to work out the best defense possible? What's wrong about using the time you are allowed to use to try to get a draw or a win?
The pieces aren't going to move on their own. It only takes so long to analyse a position to the best of your ability regardless of whether you are winning or losing.
'Spending longer to try and work out a way forward'????
Sounds like stalling to me.
Originally posted by PhlabibitI think your maths only work over a short period. If you always drag out "lost" games and play fast in "won" games, you'll be able to begin new games while you are still playing the "lost" games, which will increase your win percentage and give you an inflated rating over time. Or am I making some logical mistake here?
I've done some math with the ratings calculator (gone now, anyone know where there is another online??)... and I found you get more points if you resign lost games RIGHT AWAY and work for your wins.
People who stall their games are only hurting their ratings... that is what the math told me based on 10 games or so, 5 won and 5 lost.
Resign the lost games as they come... waiting will not help if you are going to lose anyway.
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I think I am doing this to a degree, not to increase my rating, but 1. because I need more time to think in difficult games, and those are also the games I am more likely to lose, and 2. because it's more fun to play those games which go my way, so if I have the choice, I may choose to move in those games first.
I think Phlab's logic is simply that if you resign a lost game before you claim a won game your rating will go down less because the difference between you & the opponent you lost to will be smaller (or larger if they are higher rated). Similarly, if you then win a game after resigning the lost one you will win more points because the rating difference will be greater (or smaller if they are lower rated).
I'm not sure I've actually managed to explain it very well, but I think the logic is good.
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Originally posted by belgianfreakYes, I understand this, and it's perfectly logical. But it only works that way if you don't start new games before you have finished both games. So it's not really about dragging out lost games, but about a situation where you are about to finish two games and decide which one to finish first.
I think Phlab's logic is simply that if you resign a lost game before you claim a won game your rating will go down less because the difference between you & the opponent you lost to will be smaller (or larger if they are higher rated). Similarly, if you then win a game after resigning the lost one you will win more points because the rating difference ...[text shortened]... .
I'm not sure I've actually managed to explain it very well, but I think the logic is good.
(Of course that doesn't mean people are not entitled to drag out lost games. And if you are mostly playing clan games, your rating will probably get deflated again, because if your rating is inflated, you'll get more difficult games, which means your win percentage and rating will go down again.)
Originally posted by ChavvieThere is no such thing as "stalling". Your opponent is within the agreed upon time limit per move , if he exceeds the time limit you can claim the skull. If you wanted a faster game then you shouldn't have accepted this game's TO/TB conditions. Opponents playing on past the point where YOU think they should have resigned will always be a part of the game.
The pieces aren't going to move on their own. It only takes so long to analyse a position to the best of your ability regardless of whether you are winning or losing.
'Spending longer to try and work out a way forward'????
Sounds like stalling to me.
Grow up. This isn't all about you.
Originally posted by belgianfreakIf in a week you didn't "see a way back" then I guess waiting another week won't help you.
I've just thrown a won game (threw my queen away in a 'didn't mean to hit move' error) and haven't moved for over a week because I'm now 3 points+ down and can't see a way back.
At this kind of point the reasonable thing to do is resign and move on.
Originally posted by NordlysI think the math still works well reagardless of if you start new games... but on the other hand... if you don't ever win another game... it will go down.
Yes, I understand this, and it's perfectly logical. But it only works that way if you don't start new games before you have finished both games. So it's not really about dragging out lost games, but about a situation where you are about to finish two games and decide which one to finish first.
(Of course that doesn't mean people are not entitled to drag o ...[text shortened]... l get more difficult games, which means your win percentage and rating will go down again.)
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Originally posted by Ravelloa week of what though - a week of constantly staring at the board, or a week of getting 2 minute glimpses every few days (which is what I usually have time for).
If in a week you didn't "see a way back" then I guess waiting another week won't help you.
At this kind of point the reasonable thing to do is resign and move on.
In games that are going well 2 minute glances are enough to remind me what I was planning and carry on. If my plan has gone awry then I need longer to come up with a new one.
I'm not saying that all people who slow down when losing aren't stalling. I'm just tryingf to present a situation where slowing down in a game where you are behind is not automatically a sign of someone being unsporting.
Originally posted by RavelloIt may be reasonable by your standards , but not his. People play here for lots of reasons. Some players motivations I don't consider reasonable by my standards , but as long as they don't violate TOS who cares? Why should your standards(or anyone else's) about when your opponent should resign carry more weight than your opponent's?
If in a week you didn't "see a way back" then I guess waiting another week won't help you.
At this kind of point the reasonable thing to do is resign and move on.
Madam in this case , has done nothing "wrong". His standards on when call it quits are different than Chavvie's. That's why there are time limits. If you don't like things "dragging on", play games with shorter TO/TB .