Originally posted by GatecrasherSo how, how can you be "100%" sure that people have been using engines??? Phlab said that you guys unanimously agreed 100% that Exy was using an engine, but if you can't actually see him doing it how can you say that you are that sure?
If there was a ligitimate means to detect the presence of an engine, then it would certainly be part of the evidence. It's like having proof that a suspect was in the vacinity of a murder. It wouldn't necessarily prove the player used the engine, just that he/she had the means to use the engine.
But this is all completely academic, because neither ...[text shortened]... showthread.php?threadid=31286&page=3
For those interested it may well be worth reading again.
Originally posted by no1marauderYes it leaves a lot of questions, but given the amount of discussion in this thread about spyware, clearly not useless.
I read it and find it sooooooo vague as to be useless. If the best evidence is a player matching up to an engine, if the games are public and if the engines are available commercially or as freeware (all of which are seemingly) true, then why don't you simply post some game analyses supporting a player's banning. Surely if it's "overwhelming evidence" that will be obvious.
Originally posted by dottewellOn that question, yes but I've never believed for a minute that Russ would use spyware. The question originally asked of Gatecrasher was never really answered, however.
Yes it leaves a lot of questions, but given the amount of discussion in this thread about spyware, clearly not useless.
Originally posted by Freddie2004Don't be daft, Freddie; saying the Game Mods agreed 100% that Exy used an engine means all 4 were in agreement. Like saying 78% of Iraqis voted for the new constitution means 78 out of 100 supported it; not that all of them were 78% in favor of it.
So how, how can you be [b]"100%" sure that people have been using engines??? Phlab said that you guys unanimously agreed 100% that Exy was using an engine, but if you can't actually see him doing it how can you say that you are that sure?[/b]
Originally posted by no1marauderQuote from Phlab on page 20 of this thread (I think)
Don't be daft, Freddie; saying the Game Mods agreed 100% that Exy used an engine means all 4 were in agreement. Like saying 78% of Iraqis voted for the new constitution means 78 out of 100 supported it; not that all of them were 78% in favor of it.
"we are putting hard work into this project and not dropping any names unless we are all 100 percent sure. To say they have not thought it through is false."
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Originally posted by Freddie2004Are you for the abolition of of the Game Mods? Is this the IM crap all over again the "No one actually physically saw him cheat in real time so he might still be innocent" BS? People use the term "100%" sure all the time when in actuality we can never be SURE of anything; we really might be living in the Matrix. It denotes a level of certainty that we find useful in ordinary life. If all you're interested in is verbal nitpicking with the Game Mods, then go ahead but we both know what they are saying.
Quote from Phlab on page 20 of this thread (I think)
"we are putting hard work into this project and not dropping any names unless we are all 100 percent sure. To say they have not thought it through is false."
Originally posted by no1marauderDo you beleive that Exy cheated?
Are you for the abolition of of the Game Mods? Is this the IM crap all over again the "No one actually physically saw him cheat in real time so he might still be innocent" BS? People use the term "100%" sure all the time when in actuality we can never be SURE of anything; we really might be living in the Matrix. It denotes a level of certainty that w ...[text shortened]... in is verbal nitpicking with the Game Mods, then go ahead but we both know what they are saying.
Originally posted by marinakatombThis is not just about Exy. It's just as much about how such cases will be handled in the future. You might be next.
Jesus, hasn't this thread died yet? Has one single word in this thread actually helped bring about Exys reinstatement? NO! And it won't!! Get over it people. If you still think he was hard done by, vote with ya feet, the end!! ðŸ˜
Originally posted by arrakisIf there was some way of playing a classical OTB game against you I would. While I've grown to love my databases and opening books during my time on RHP I can still play without them.
Interesting. About 5 years ago when I first played on ICC and was beating and drawing their Grandmasters in simuls, they sent one of their experts to challenge me to just such an encounter. I had mentioned I would be at one of USCF's National tournaments and this guy showed up wanting to play some 5 minute blitz.
Well, out of a 3 game match he managed t ...[text shortened]... on record to say that if I ever meet these two in an OTB game, I expect to dust them easily.
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We've played two games on RHP, neither of which was won in the opening.
The Dragon game is a line I don't need databases for as it's one of my favourites. It led to an unbalanced material endgame (BB6P vs. BBK3P) which proved interesting (Game 1184084).
16. Rxc3 is a novelty according to my database, which if you recall I spent a number of hours finding.
The game looked even until 36. Ke2 and 37. Nf3 both of which are blunders. I was lucky to find 47. ... Kf4 which really sealed it.
But of course you are welcome to think that I won this game due to opening database use. That makes a whole lot of sense.
In conclusion, sour grapes.
Originally posted by zakkwylderI don't understand your anxiety. Why don't you just stop reading this thread and let the rest of us discuss this matter w/o your interruptions that we shouldn't? 😕
It has changed. Quite frankly I'm getting tired of it. I won't do it anymore, you can take that to the bank. Its getting way too out of hand. Alot of us forum regulars are guilty of it, myself included. When I first joined here almost two years ago, there were never issues like this. The occasional one, but never to this extent. I've decided I'm done with it. However I won't hold my breath for the rest of you perfectionists to get over it.
Originally posted by RagnorakDamn, you're good Raggie! 😉 Rec'd you for that.
Another poster that hasn't really thought about the problem.
How would you feel if you were kicked off the site as a cheater? You'll probably say that you don't have to think about that because you're not. You know you're not, but evidence could be gathered that says you are.
Looking at your graph, I picked a game which resulted in a large spik ...[text shortened]... eat?
Obviously, I'm not accusing you of cheating. Just trying to open your eyes a bit.
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Originally posted by Steve ExeterHmmm... kinda like the Republicans telling the people that there are more jobs now then when Clinton was president!
No, Phlab posted my graph in its entirety (only Mods can see this) and Tebb came in and posted a string of my early games and claimed this as evidence that I played crap until I switched on my engine. So that was two of the Mods, going against their mantra of not showing evidence but producing very dubious circumstantial evidence in an attempt to convi ...[text shortened]... gh that had all been discussed in the history of the site in the forums at the time it happened.
Or George Bush telling Americans that the war in Iraq is a war against terror - using lies and misinterpretations to support his theme. ðŸ˜