Originally posted by bbarrI was a tragic accident in which innocent Iraqi civilians where killed,
Your troops just murdered a busload of innocent Iraqi civilians who were crossing a bridge. These people (and they ARE people, whose lives are just as valuable as yours) would still be alive today had your president the slightest interest in diplomatic alternatives to war. Perhaps it's time to for you to think harder about what your parents tell you.
but the bus came into view after the bombs where released.
I know these peoples lives where just as (if not more) valuable as yours and mine, but you can't say that we murdered them.
I do not know of one war where there were no civilians casualties, its aways sad but most times it cant be avoided.
-Adam
Originally posted by bbarrbut has peace ever been acheived without war? and look at britain and france's foreign policy between 1914 and 1939-appeasement it was called, and look where it landed us! also-america have often been critisised for their "splended isolation" from europe etc-now they are interferring and look at the critisism their getting! also-saddam is now using weapons that he claimed he never had...🙄
Your troops just murdered a busload of innocent Iraqi civilians who were crossing a bridge. These people (and they ARE people, whose lives are just as valuable as yours) would still be alive today had your president the slightest interest in diplomatic alternatives to war. Perhaps it's time to for you to think harder about what your parents tell you.
Originally posted by geniusYou can't be making the ridiculous claim that any diplomatic alternative to war would constitute appeasement. They are still 'splendidly isolated' from most of Europe, 'cause most of Europe (and most of the world), is agaisnt the war in Iraq. Yes, Saddam is being attacked, and hence using weapons he claimed he didn't have. Perhpas Saddam would have been forced to admit having these weapons had the weapon inspections been allowed to continue, and had the U.S. shared its intelligence reports fully with the weapon inspectors.
but has peace ever been acheived without war? and look at britain and france's foreign policy between 1914 and 1939-appeasement it was called, and look where it landed us! also-america have often been critisised for their "splended isolation" from europe etc-now they are interferring and look at the critisism their getting! also-saddam is now using weapons that he claimed he never had...🙄
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Originally posted by UncleAdambut then you can not they were killed legally. If the current war in Iraq has no legal basis, then these poor people were killed in an aggresive act that has no legal basis in international law, nor the moral mandate of the citizens of either the UK or US. If it was the other wat round we would call this a terrorist act and seek war crime charges.
I was a tragic accident in which innocent Iraqi civilians where killed,
but the bus came into view after the bombs where released.
I know these peoples lives where just as (if not more) valuable as yours and mine, but you can't say that we murdered them.
I do not know of one war where there were no civilians casualties, its aways sad but most times it cant be avoided.
-Adam
How would America act if a misslie was fired at the White House and it hit a school bus. I doubt the press would embrace it as an inevitable consequence of war. Hitting the bus full of Syrians was not the smartest of moves either.
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Originally posted by latex bishopI belive the family in the USA ( or UK or anywhere else in the world) would suffer just as much pain as the Iraqi family, but like I said "its aways sad but most times it cant be avoided"
...How would America act if a misslie was fired at the White House and it hit a school bus. I doubt the press would embrace it as an inevitable consequence of war. Hitting the bus full of Syrians was not the smartest of moves either.
Andrew🙄
-Adam
I know how it is to lose a family member (,not in war, but I would think it would feel the same) ,because my older brother died a few years ago for unknown causes, it is very hard
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Originally posted by UncleAdamAdam,
I belive the family in the USA ( or UK or anywhere else in the world) would suffer just as much pain as the Iraqi family, but like I said "its aways sad but most times it cant be avoided"
-Adam
I know how it is to lose a family member (,not in war, but I would think it would feel the same) ,because my older brother died a few years ago for unknown causes, it is very hard
My comment was not aimed directly at you
Andrew😀
Originally posted by CFCBy that logic, it's the fault of everyone who was working in the World Trade center towers that they died that day. They knew that it was a terrorist target, it had been bombed before, they had been warned. Or even better, I know that as a person living in the universe, there are celestial objects flying by the earth at extremely high speeds. Therefore, if I am walking down the street and get hit on the head by a meteor and killed, then it is my fault, because I knew they were out and did nothing to avoid them.
It's the civilians' fault they got killed. They're warned to stay at home but they don't.
-mike
Originally posted by UncleAdamI take it that you haven't seen "Born on the Fourth of July". Go watch it.
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I don't want to snipe/insult/provoke/claim [intellectual/age] superiority at you. I really am undecided on the war issue. Saying that you would join up is a very brave and bold declaration to make.
Originally posted by bidge90I have whanted to join the Air Force for a long time (since I was about 5) Ok I'll go see it, I have seen other war movies but they usely make alot of it fake, the most realistc ones I've seen are "Behind Enemy Lines" and "Black Hawk Down" (I know this one is very real because I konw somene who was in that battle and he told me how close that was to the real thing).
I take it that you haven't seen "Born on the Fourth of July". Go watch it.
I don't want to snipe/insult/provoke/claim [intellectual/age] superiority at you. I really am undecided on the war issue. Saying that you would join up is a very brave and bold declaration to make.
but thanks for your consern and I will go see it.
-Adam
Sometimes I just have to laugh at people who think we should let Saddam Insane stay in power. He laughs at the UN Council and all of their worthless resolutions. He's been laughing the past 12 years while doing what he wants in complete violation of their resolutions that were passed after the Gulf War. And he does them right in front of your nose. Granted, he may not have as many of the Weapons of Mass Destruction as he once did. But he still has some of them. Granted, this is not about restitution for 9-11. But that day should have opened the eyes of the world as to what crazy people around the world can do with support from countries. Yes, maybe Saddam didn't directly support Osama, but by allowing operatives to operate freely in his country he indirectly supported their actions. The world has instructed him to dissarm and he's ignored everyone for 12 years. No-one else in this world has the strength to stop this madman. The UN has tried many times over the past 12 years to get him to listen to reason and it will never work.
Is 'Peace' worth the lives of the innocent civilians that he kills every year? How about all of the Iraqi families who live in terror because of their leader? How about all of the Rape rooms he has for his sons to use? How about the torture chambers he uses?
You want to be ignorant and support him. Great. That's your right. You think we should turn our eyes so that we don't see the horrors he commits. OK. You can. But my conscience doesn't work that way. He is evil and must be removed from power. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
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Originally posted by ChessNutGreat post, you put into words what I have been trying to say for a long time
Sometimes I just have to laugh at people who think we should let Saddam Insane stay in power. He laughs at the UN Council and all of their worthless resolutions. He's been laughing the past 12 years while doing what he wants in complete ...[text shortened]... d must be removed from power. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.