Originally posted by UncleAdamalso watch "platoon". In my opinion it gives some good insights into the horror of ware an the way it twists people until they act in unbeleavable ways, beleaving it is right.
I have whanted to join the Air Force for a long time (since I was about 5) Ok I'll go see it, I have seen other war movies but they usely make alot of it fake, the most realistc ones I've seen are "Behind Enemy Lines" and "Black Hawk Down" (I know this one is very real because I konw somene who was in that battle and he told me how close that was to the real thing).
but thanks for your consern and I will go see it.
-Adam
I haven't seen "Black Hawk Down". Maybe I will have to now. "Behind enemy mines", if it's the one I'm thinking of (Meg Ryan dies?) gives a great insight into just how confused a battle really is, and how different people react & see things differently.
Originally posted by belgianfreakOk I'll see it too
also watch "platoon".......
........."Behind enemy mines", if it's the one I'm thinking of (Meg Ryan dies?) gives a great insight into just how confused a battle really is, and how different people react & see things differently.
Behind Enemy Lines (not mines) it doesnt have Meg Ryan, it has Owen Wilson and Gene Hackman
Originally posted by ChessNutPart of the problem with this line of reasoning is that it is applied so selectively and inconsistently. The world has always been full of brutal dictators, many of which we have supported (including Saddam at one time). If we have supported people like Mobuto Sese Seko in Zaire, and Augusto Pinochet in Chile (just to name two), and have been indifferent to the abuses of many others, what gives us the moral authority to unilaterally declare that Saddam Hussein is deserving of attack? Mobuto was a trusted ally for thirty years while he robbed his country blind and oppressed his people. Why was he not deserving of the level of condemnation that has been heaped upon Saddam? If we sanctioned Augusto Pinochet's reign of terror in Chile, then how can we expect to be taken seriously when we claim to be so concerned about the suffering of the average Iraqi? It seems that we are only too willing to turn our eyes away from the horrors that are committed with our knowledge, and in many cases with our complicity, if it suits our purposes. Given our rather poor track record of cozying up to dictators, it is would seem to be very difficult for an impartial party to conclude that we were attacking Iraq for altruistic reasons.
Sometimes I just have to laugh at people who think we should let Saddam Insane stay in power. He laughs at the UN Council and all of their worthless resolutions. He's been laughing the past 12 years while doing what he wants in complete violation of their resolutions that were passed after the Gulf War. And he does them right in front of your nose. Gra ...[text shortened]... work that way. He is evil and must be removed from power. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
I also do not understand the "weapons of mass destruction" argument. There are many countries that have weapons of mass destruction. Pakistan is known to be one of them. But Pakistan is our trusted ally despite this. Why do we not attack Pakistan and demand that they get rid of their WMDs? Why is it that a country like Iraq, which is only suspected of having WMDs, is deserving of being attacked when a country like Pakistan is not? What if Parvez Musharraf were to be overthrown in Pakistan by an extremist Islamic government. Would Pakistan then be worthy of attack? Our criterea for who gets to have WMDs, and who does not, seems to be applied very selectively and inconsistently. For that matter, why does the U.S. get to be the arbiter on this issue at all? If Iraq is not to be allowed WMDs, then why is the U.S.?
Nobody believes that Saddam is a decent guy. He is a brutal dictator who deserves to be removed from power. However, very few people across the world appear to believe that the U.S. has made its case as to why Iraq deserves to be attacked. I do not think the world will be a safer place after this escapade is over. By eliminating one potential area of danger in the world, we are greatly expanding the areas for potential danger in many others. Our short sighted self interests may be well served by this attack, but our long term safety will be greatly compromised.
Originally posted by UncleAdamI think "Das Boot" is my favorite war movie. It actually took a sympathetic view of the average man in war as both victim and hero. I highly recommend it. Also known as "The Boat." About a German U boat. Kirk
Ok I'll see it too
Behind Enemy Lines (not mines) it doesnt have Meg Ryan, it has Owen Wilson and Gene Hackman
I mean no disrespect, but speaking purely from my warrior code I must state that one who pushes a battle in which they are not willing to participate is a coward. Plain and simple, if you wish to kill someone then if you have any sense of honor at all you must be willing to risk your own life to accomplish it. Bottom line, no B.S.
Adam, I am always sorry to hear of the loss of a loved one and you have my condolences. I appreciate you putting a human end on the matter. I will tell you from my own life though, that to lose a loved one at another persons hand makes a difference to you. My father was killed by another person. A knife in the back. He dedicated his whole life to the martial arts and his family, but in the end he did not get his honorable battle. I have always been comforted by the fact that he had prepared himself to die by anothers hand someday, and in fact I do believe that I may meet a similar end. The only real outrage I have ever felt was that it came from his back.
Like you, I can only speculate. I must defer from my own experience that these people must feel a bit different than you and I. I am guessing that you loved one did not die violently ( correct me if I am mistaken) . Mine did, but he was prepared for such an end. These people were not warriors. They did not die peacefully. I know not of what comfort their familys have. I feel that they must have......none. 🙁
To me it seems that people who think war movies are any kind of realistic picture into the war are fools. Unless you have been in a situation the movies depict, you can not understand the feelings a person might go thru in those situations and as much as TV and movies might try to create the image for you, its far from reality.
War is NEVER acceptable, and in the case of Iraq I feel sad that USA government can't see the thousands of people they are hurting in going in to kill one man and his few faithful once. They say they go to liberate the same people they are killing at the same time as they are going about their liberation efforts. It is pure insanity.
Yes, Saddam is a dictator and a maniac. But to go against the world opinion and to kill innocent people because of this just doesnt make sense. How many do USA have to kill to get this one man?
And as all know, people involved in this war have alterior motives... And that makes it all even worse. http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/newpost.php?threadid=4364&frompage=3#
Originally posted by torgarthI think that you've missed the point (completely).
...people who think war movies are any kind of realistic picture into the war are fools. ...
Of course you can only TRULY appreciate war at first hand, and war films/books/sings/news footage/whatever are nothing more than tepid interpretations. To tell you the truth i don't want to know what war is REALLY like. I don't want to be in a war. I am so grateful for where I was born. Chances are that I will never have to face war in my life as I live in a DEMOCRACRY, no matter what political shinanigings may be taking place behind closed doors.
Yes, there are some films whose aim is provide an hour and a half of amusement for people with nothing better to do. On the other hand, there are an awful lot of films which have a message. You don't go into the cinema hoping that you'll come out a real Vietnam Vet. You go with teh hope that you might learn something, that the film willl open your eyes further, give you an insight from someone who does have experience. The particular film which I mentionned was "Born on the fourth of July", and is not per se a war film. It is rather the story of a bright young American who joins the Marines with great expectations only for him and his dreams to be shattered. It is a warning against the sugary and alluring image of being a soldier and fighting for your country, an image which is often all too tempting for young minds.
Originally posted by Omnislash
Like you, I can only speculate. I must defer from my own experience that these people must feel a bit different than you and I. I am guessing that you loved one did not die violently ( correct me if I am mistaken) . Mine did, but he was prepared for such an end. These people were not warriors. They did not die peacefully. I know not of what comfort their familys have. I feel that they must have......none. 🙁
We dont know how he died, they closed the case before they figured anything out:'(
Originally posted by torgarth
To me it seems that people who think war movies are any kind of realistic picture into the war are fools. Unless you have been in a situation the movies depict, you can not understand the feelings a person might go thru in those situations.
As I said before, I have a friend that I know who was in the battle that Black Hawk Down is based on, and he told me how close it was to the real thing
I know you had a friend, and you saw a movie... but my point is that even then you cant know how it feels to be in war. Yes, you see about how it would be in terms f images, but the horrors and EVERYTHING that is involved with it cant be portrayed thru a movie or someone telling you about it... Thats all... But I would agree that you probably now understand some aspects of it.
Originally posted by torgarthI know real war is 100x worse, I was just saying that these movies give a bit info on what really happens than some other war movies.
I know you had a friend, and you saw a movie... but my point is that even then you cant know how it feels to be in war. Yes, you see about how it would be in terms f images, but the horrors and EVERYTHING that is involved with it cant be portrayed thru a movie or someone telling you about it... Thats all... But I would agree that you probably now understand some aspects of it.