"A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Originally posted by FMF "A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
I'm not sure how ordering 5 civilians out of a taxi and shooting them in the street is not considered murder. Did the Sgt. claim someone was firing on him from the taxi?
The other dead might have been killed in houses from which militants were firing.
I have trouble judging these guys, they're put into unspeakable circumstances, and it's really hard for me to say I'd do much differently if my friends were killed in front of me by a roadside bomb.
But at the same time, he clearly murdered and the punishment for murder isn't a demotion to private rank.
Originally posted by FMF "A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
What does "charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians" mean?
Did he kill them? Was he negligent in allowing them to be killed? What exactly happened?
Originally posted by sh76 What does "charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians" mean?
Did he kill them? Was he negligent in allowing them to be killed? What exactly happened?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wuterich
"Originally charged with murder, the charges were later reduced to involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, and on January 23, 2012 Wuterich pled guilty to a single count of negligent dereliction of duty as part of an agreement with military prosecutors. In exchange, all other charges were dropped. Wuterich will be sentenced on January 24. He faces a maximum sentence of three months of confinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of pay for three months, and reduction in rank to Private"
Originally posted by PsychoPawn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wuterich
"Originally charged with murder, the charges were later reduced to involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, and on January 23, 2012 Wuterich pled guilty to a single count of negligent dereliction of duty as part of an agreement with military prosecutors. In exchange, all other charges were dropped. Wu ...[text shortened]... nfinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of pay for three months, and reduction in rank to Private"
I'll have to look into exactly what happened. I've seen people get worse than that for theft.
Originally posted by sh76 What does "charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians" mean?
Did he kill them? Was he negligent in allowing them to be killed? What exactly happened?
He was in command and admittedly ordered his troops to "shoot first and ask questions later". In addition, evidence was that he personally fired his weapon on houses containing only civilians. 24 civilians were killed in the 45 minutes following said order. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091333/Frank-Wuterich-trial-Stunning-denial-US-Marine-Haditha-massacre-court-martial.html?ITO=1490
Originally posted by spruce112358 The other dead might have been killed in houses from which militants were firing.
From the OP report: "His former squad members testified during the hearings that they were not fired upon nor did they find any weapons at the scene of the killings."
It does not then sound like justice was done. It's impossible to make a complete judgment of course, but it sounds as though he was guilty of some pretty serious misconduct.
Originally posted by sh76 It does not then sound like justice was done. It's impossible to make a complete judgment of course, but it sounds as though he was guilty of some pretty serious misconduct.
He and his squad acted exactly the same as IDF soldiers when facing civillians, don't you think?
Originally posted by FMF "A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
21 February 2012
US Haditha Marine Frank Wuterich discharged
The US Marine Corps has discharged the man convicted over the killing of Iraqi civilians in Haditha, a spokesman said.
Former Sgt Frank Wuterich, 31, was given a general discharge under honourable conditions and completed his service on Friday, he added.
rest here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17121937
Originally posted by utherpendragon War is hell.
Its easy to be a arm chair analyst chess geek passing judgement on individuals in situations that they themselves have never been in.
The question is did Sgt Wuterich's actions receive appropriate punishment and does it constitute justice for his (and his men's) 24 civilian victims. Your attempt to personalize a disagreement over this issue with a deflecting comment about "a arm chair analyst chess geek" diminishes your analysis and detracts from any military dignity or respect-due that you may be trying to allude to.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wuterich
"Originally charged with murder, the charges were later reduced to involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, and on January 23, 2012 Wuterich pled guilty to a single count of negligent dereliction of duty as part of an agreement with military prosecutors. In exchange, all other charges were dropped. Wu ...[text shortened]... nfinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of pay for three months, and reduction in rank to Private"
25 Jan '12 14:18
Sgt Frank Wuterich
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