I was playing a friend otb the other day, and he fianchettoed. I immediately got a bishop and queen battery bearing down on h6 to exchange off the bishops.
When he saw my queen and bishop on the same diagonal, he immediately moved his rook to e8, allowing him to move the bishop to h8, and so keeping his important bishop.
So, for example from this position...
it went 8...Re8 9. Bh6 Bh8
The game wasn't exactly like that, but I'm just interested in peoples opinions on his 8th and 9th moves. I found it much harder to attack the fianchettoed king than if the bishops had been exchanged, but was it worth the tempo to move the rook? Is the bishop much weaker on h8? Any other thoughts?
Cheers,
D
I actually had a similar game on Yahoo! except I was using the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon. I proceeded just as your opponent did because the g7 bishop is really important in this opening. Whether this was a good move or not, I don't know, but I did win the game. Maybe moving the knight to c6 would be a better move.
Originally posted by exigentskyThe game itself isn't really important (the game I played with my buddy was an english). I just provided that example to make it clear what I meant.
I actually had a similar game on Yahoo! except I was using the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon. I proceeded just as your opponent did because the g7 bishop is really important in this opening. Whether this was a good move or not, I don't know, but I did win the game. Maybe moving the knight to c6 would be a better move.
Hopefully, somebody can help us as to whether the manouver is a good one or not, in general.
D
Originally posted by RagnorakIt seems like a fair bit of work to save the bishop, especially as one loses control of two possibly important squares around the king. Did your bishop on h6 cause him any bother later on?
I was playing a friend otb the other day, and he fianchettoed. I immediately got a bishop and queen battery bearing down on h6 to exchange off the bishops.
When he saw my queen and bishop on the same diagonal, he immediately moved his rook to e8, allowing him to move the bishop to h8, and so keeping his important bishop.
So, for example from this pos ...[text shortened]... tempo to move the rook? Is the bishop much weaker on h8? Any other thoughts?
Cheers,
D
Originally posted by Ragnorak8...Nc6 is best. Black can't afford an early Bh8 in the dragon and doesn't have to do so because after 8..Nc6 9.Bh6? Bxh6 10.Qxh6 Nxd4! wins. There are continuing tricks, for example:
I was playing a friend otb the other day, and he fianchettoed. I immediately got a bishop and queen battery bearing down on h6 to exchange off the bishops.
When he saw my queen and bishop on the same diagonal, he immediately moved his rook to e8, allowing him to move the bishop to h8, and so keeping his important bishop.
So, for example from this pos tempo to move the rook? Is the bishop much weaker on h8? Any other thoughts?
Cheers,
D
8..Nc6 9.O-O-O Bd7 10. Bh6 Nxd4! 11.Bxg7 Nxf3.
The maneuver with ..Bh8 must be delayed until a suitable line is reached where ..Re8 and ..Bh8 does become warranted. But it depends on how white plays and that line may never be reached.
Also, ...Bh8 can become a weakness in some lines if white can take advantage of the tactic: Nf5! gxf5, Bh6 Bg7, Qg5!
Originally posted by RegicidalSorry for the confusion.
8...Nc6 is best. Black can't afford an early Bh8 in the dragon and doesn't have to do so because after 8..Nc6 9.Bh6? Bxh6 10.Qxh6 Nxd4! wins. There are continuing tricks, for example:
8..Nc6 9.O-O-O Bd7 10. Bh6 Nxd4! 11.Bxg7 Nxf3.
The maneuver with ..Bh8 must be delayed until there is a suitable line is reached where ..Re8 and ..Bh8 does become war ...[text shortened]... weakness in some lines if white can take advantage of the tactic: Nf5! gxf5, Bh6 Bg7, Qg5!
I only included the dragon position to demonstrate the fianchetto that I was talking about. It was actually an english game that it occured in, but I don't have its annotation.
So basically, I'm just looking for comments on the bishop saving manouver.
D
I know that when I'm attacking a fianchettoed bishop position, I try to trade off the bishop as quickly as possible. People have played this type of manuever against me and I think it's a good one, at least psychologically. If you're opponent likes to do something and you prevent it, I think that's in your favor. In the diagrammed position, Nc6 first may be better, but after that move White plays O-O-O and is still threatening Bh6.
Originally posted by Ragnorakin the particular diagram book theory and the latest fritz 9! both strongly suggest against the play your opponent played. However, I have seen book variations with the Re8 and Bh8 maneuver, I just can't seem to remember what line of the dragon that was, or maybe it was the Pirc? Either way though, it doesnt seem to be too decisive a mistake, only +.40 given by Fritz 9.
I was playing a friend otb the other day, and he fianchettoed. I immediately got a bishop and queen battery bearing down on h6 to exchange off the bishops.
When he saw my queen and bishop on the same diagonal, he immediately moved his rook to e8, allowing him to move the bishop to h8, and so keeping his important bishop.
So, for example from this pos ...[text shortened]... tempo to move the rook? Is the bishop much weaker on h8? Any other thoughts?
Cheers,
D