Blitz performance compared to ELO rating in Tal memorial

Originally posted by heinzkat
Ivanchuk rocks 'n rolls

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1YY22cOwpGk&fmt=18

...and your point is?

Originally posted by Cimon
...and your point is?

That it is very possible that he did miss that line 😛

Originally posted by heinzkat
That it is very possible that he did miss that line 😛

Of course. He could forgot about previous moves played in the game. 😀

Originally posted by Cimon
Of course. He forgot about the line he has played already 😀

He is capable of being completely confused for no apparent reason, Ivanchuk = the King

Originally posted by Tryfon Gavriel
Rank Rat. 5-minute
1 2800 Vidocq (GM)
2 2737 Pinkalmykia (GM)
3 2688 GUNSNROSES (No title shown)
4 2675 Sage (No title shown)
5 2663 Smallville<------ (GM Nakumara)
6 2639 KinkyLoek (GM Van Wely)
7 2624 Impitoyable (IM since 1996)
8 2618 denmanisgod (GM)
...[text shortened]... M Sune Berg Hansen)
15 2573 Yuka (IM Daniel Hausrath (ELO 2479)
4116 total

I don't understand how this is even subject to discussion. There's an obvious correlation between blitz and standard and it's a very strong one. maybe just a little bias toward the younger generation might be expected because of their familiarity with online chess, but then, ivanchuk had won Blitz WC recently, anand was 2nd this year etc.

"blitz performance" on ICC shouldn't be the only reference about this discussion because competitively active GMs don't take online blitz seriously, and probably have little experience with it compared to IMs who play poker and ICC online instead of just taking one step further in OTB.

I'm sure if standard chess was removed from this lovely earth we live in and ICC blitz were the only thing left that counts; given that all top GMs would have their time to close up the experience gap, those IMs would drop one by one from the list and the current classical top 10 would take over.

Originally posted by heinzkat
He is capable of being completely confused for no apparent reason, Ivanchuk = the King

To forget previous moves he has played - that would be too crazy even for Ivanchuk.

Originally posted by philidor position
I don't understand how this is even subject to discussion. There's an obvious correlation between blitz and standard and it's a very strong one. maybe just a little bias toward the younger generation might be expected because of their familiarity with online chess, but then, ivanchuk had won Blitz WC recently, anand was 2nd this year etc.

"blit ...[text shortened]... Ms would drop one by one from the list and the current classical top 10 would take over.

You are "sure", but I'm not. Speculations is not argument.

Originally posted by Cimon
You are "sure", but I'm not. Speculations is not argument.

well, I won't deny I'm purely speculating of course. just wanted to share my view.

Originally posted by Cimon
To forget previous moves he has played - that would be too crazy even for Ivanchuk.

It seems to me he was completely disturbed by the fact he couldn't play h1-h0 to promote his pawn once more

Originally posted by Cimon
To forget previous moves he has played - that would be too crazy even for Ivanchuk.

nothing is too crazy for Ivanchuk🙂.

by the way, Kasparov has done that in his last game against Kramnik in the WC match. in fact he played a perpetual because he forgot his king's position.

Originally posted by Cimon
You are arguing against claims I haven't made i.e. against your own imaginations. I did not claim that "progressing guy does mean he is necessarry stronger than his current rating" or "regressing guy does mean he is for sure weaker than his rating".

Show me any Karpov's tournament 2007-2009 when he made 2700+ performance in standart time control. I guess you still haven't checked his results.

it is ok, Karpov did not do a 2700+ performance also the the blitz tournament...I suppose you did not check the performances from Tal blitz tournament