# Castling in Analysis

webwiz
Only Chess 13 Feb '20 19:03
1. 13 Feb '20 19:03
Is there a way of castling when using the analysis feature - apart from doing 2 moves without one from the opponent in between?
2. 13 Feb '20 19:431 edit

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3. DeepThought
14 Feb '20 00:31
@webwiz said
Is there a way of castling when using the analysis feature - apart from doing 2 moves without one from the opponent in between?
Remove the castling rook from the board, for example if you want to castle kingside take the h1 rook completely off the board. Pick up one of the rooks from the selection at the bottom and place it on the castle's target square, so in our example on f1. Then move the king two squares as you would normally, i.e. x) Ke1 - g1. This ensures that the move count in the analysis history is correct. You can move the king first, but for some reason the analysis board feature counts the rook replacement as belonging to the opponent's move immediately after castling.
4. venda
Dave
14 Feb '20 12:22
@webwiz said
Is there a way of castling when using the analysis feature - apart from doing 2 moves without one from the opponent in between?
Just castle as you would otb, moving the rook and the king to their castled squares.
Yoy don't need to involve the opponents pieces
5. BigDoggProblem
Not entirely stable
14 Feb '20 19:38
Russ, please make all boards play by the rules!
6. 15 Feb '20 11:41
@venda said
Just castle as you would otb, moving the rook and the king to their castled squares.
Yoy don't need to involve the opponents pieces
Badly phrased. what I mean is that the analysis shows 2 moves by me without any move by my opponent in between. Just looks odd.
7. 15 Feb '20 11:42
@bigdoggproblem said
Russ, please make all boards play by the rules!
Have I broken a rule? Which one?
8. BigDoggProblem
Not entirely stable
15 Feb '20 15:26
@webwiz said
Have I broken a rule? Which one?
No, you have not.

By boards, I meant CHESS boards.

One shouldn't actually have to move the Rook to castle.
9. sonhouse
Fast and Curious
15 Feb '20 15:51
@BigDoggProblem
I think in OTB if one intends to castle you move the king two moves over and then move the rook because if you accidentally move the king one move over and let loose the king for a moment for some reason, the opponent can say touch move and call the judges over and say he let go so you need to make sure you do a two move with king which would normally be an illegal move THEN move the rook.
10. 15 Feb '20 16:241 edit
@sonhouse said
@BigDoggProblem
I think in OTB if one intends to castle you move the king two moves over and then move the rook because if you accidentally move the king one move over and let loose the king for a moment for some reason, the opponent can say touch move and call the judges over and say he let go so you need to make sure you do a two move with king which would normally be an illegal move THEN move the rook.
Just to fine tune this a bit, the king is moved first because if you move the rook first, that is a complete and legal move and must stand as played the instant you release the rook.

If you move the king two squares, however, that is legal *only* if it is part of castling, therefore it is not a *complete* move until the rook is also placed on its new square.
11. sonhouse
Fast and Curious
16 Feb '20 06:44
12. 16 Feb '20 19:32
Gentlemen, I asked this question at the beginning of the this thread some time ago on the development site section.

For me & amount of people here it would be of great benefit.
13. 19 Feb '20 19:11
@bigdoggproblem said
Russ, please make all boards play by the rules!
Please do not! One of the strong points of an analysis board is the ability to fantasise about "what if"s. If everything had to go by the rules now, here and then, we wouldn't be able to play through potential scenarios as much.

The Analysis board isn't there to tell you what you're allowed to - that;s what Fritz is for. Analysis is for checking wild ideas and getting bugs out of your mind. Being allowed to make "but perhaps" moves is an important part of that.
14. BigDoggProblem
Not entirely stable
19 Feb '20 19:591 edit
@shallow-blue said
Please do not! One of the strong points of an analysis board is the ability to fantasise about "what if"s. If everything had to go by the rules now, here and then, we wouldn't be able to play through potential scenarios as much.

The Analysis board isn't there to tell you what you're allowed to - that;s what Fritz is for. Analysis is for checking wild ideas and getting bugs out of your mind. Being allowed to make "but perhaps" moves is an important part of that.
You can do ALL of that with boards that follow the rules of chess. It's actually better to do so, because the opponent just doesn't sit there and let your plan happen.

I know the rules quite well. I don't need the analysis board to help me there. What I need is for the analysis board's actions to match the rules I know already.

It's ridiculous to:
- have to move both K and R to castle
- have to play two moves in a row by the same side
- have to capture en passant, then clumsily, somehow, remove the enemy pawn, which should simply vanish

I rarely use the analysis board here for these, and other reasons. It's not designed for serious players.