Chess and Internet Culture

https://www.wired.com/story/bird-feed-seller-beat-chess-master-online-harassment/

"A Bird-Feed Seller Beat a Chess Master Online. Then It Got Ugly
Twitch and YouTube chess star Levy Rozman has faced over a week
of sustained harassment after calling out an alleged c***ter."

"On March 2, Levy Rozman, in a pink sweater and round glasses, was
streaming his Chess.com matches to 12,000 viewers over Twitch.
“All right, this looks like a c****er,” he said without pause, as he
clicked on the pigeon icon of his opponent, Dewa_Kipas.
Rozman, an international chess master, scrolled through the profile,
disbelieving. His opponent had climbed nearly a thousand points
in the span of a month, ranking 2,300 to Rozman’s 2,431. And his profile
didn’t include the sort of title—“FIDE master,” “national master”—
that the ranking implied. In fact, Rozman would later discover,
Dewa_Kipas, or “fan god,” was a bird-feed seller in Indonesia."

"Ali Akbar, a 24-year-old whose Facebook banner is a sprawl of pink-haired
shoujo manga, had written a post about Rozman from his home in
Bandung, Indonesia, to his 3,500 followers. According to Akbar,
Dewa_Kipas was a 60-year-old retired tournament player named
Dadang Subur who had only recently become addicted to Chess.com.
Also, he wrote, Subur was his dad. And he most certainly did beat chess master Rozman."

"Akbar recorded a 20-minute video with his father in which Subur claims
he beat Shredder, a commercial chess engine, on a grandmaster-level
setting four times in a row. They buckled down."

Dadang Subur apparently boasted that he's about an IM in strength.
His boast was absurdly wrong, as further evidence confirmed.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/most-watched-chess-stream-in-history-dewa-kipas

"C***ting Controversy Results In Most-Watched Chess Stream In History"

"A friendly chess match held on Monday in Indonesia, which was streamed on YouTube,
attracted a record-shattering number of over a million concurrent viewers.
The match was played between IM Irene Sukandar and Dadang Subur, an amateur
player who had been accused of c***ting in early March by IM Levy Rozman on Twitch."

@duchess64 said
https://www.wired.com/story/bird-feed-seller-beat-chess-master-online-harassment/

"A Bird-Feed Seller Beat a Chess Master Online. Then It Got Ugly
Twitch and YouTube chess star Levy Rozman has faced over a week
of sustained harassment after calling out an alleged c***ter."

"On March 2, Levy Rozman, in a pink sweater and round glasses, was
streaming his Chess.com ma ...[text shortened]... r, an amateur
player who had been accused of c***ting in early March by IM Levy Rozman on Twitch."

RHP absurdly insists on censoring discussion of c*** in chess even outside RHP.

"That Subur accepted to play the match was surprising. He had declined earlier
challenges where he would have faced GM Susanto Megaranto or IM Anjas Novita.
In the morning before the podcast, he had stated in a national newspaper that he
had stopped playing and wouldn't accept any other challenges."

"Monday's match between Sukandar and Subur involved serious money.
The Indonesian technology and e-commerce company Tokopedia appeared to be
the main sponsor, providing the equivalent of $10,500 that was then doubled by
Indra Kesuma, an Indonesian businessman and YouTuber.
As it turned out, Subur could not repeat the high level of play as he had shown online.
He lost 3-0 to Sukandar, making fairly basic mistakes.

Chess.com estimated his performance in these three match games at an Elo of 1127.
His online performance rating exceeded 3000 Elo, the highest performance
Chess.com's Fair Play system calculates for human games. Despite the poor
showing, he still made roughly $7,000 while Sukandar earned about $14,000."

Dadung Subur made blatant tactical blunders in every game.
Even at his 'best', he seemed no better than an ordinary club player.

I am a Candidate Master how do I get my title. This is my first time playing online chess

@duchess64 said
"That Subur accepted to play the match was surprising. He had declined earlier
challenges where he would have faced GM Susanto Megaranto or IM Anjas Novita.
In the morning before the podcast, he had stated in a national newspaper that he
had stopped playing and wouldn't accept any other challenges."

"Monday's match between Sukandar and Subur involved serious money. ...[text shortened]... tical blunders in every game.
Even at his 'best', he seemed no better than an ordinary club player.

Chess.com estimated his performance in these three match games at an Elo of 1127.
His online performance rating exceeded 3000 Elo, the highest performance
Chess.com's Fair Play system calculates for human games. Despite the poor
showing, he still made roughly $7,000 while Sukandar earned about $14,000."


Money. prestige, and power. They make people do things they wouldn't normally do.

@mchill said
Chess.com estimated his performance in these three match games at an Elo of 1127.
His online performance rating exceeded 3000 Elo, the highest performance
Chess.com's Fair Play system calculates for human games. Despite the poor
showing, he still made roughly $7,000 while Sukandar earned about $14,000."


Money. prestige, and power. They make people do things they wouldn't normally do.

RHP keeps censoring my posts in which its banned c-word appears.

Do some players evidently use engines at RHP because they expect 'money, prestige, and power'?

@duchess64 said
RHP keeps censoring my posts in which its banned c-word appears.

Do some players evidently use engines at RHP because they expect 'money, prestige, and power'?

In my opinion: yes. The prestige to be a top rated player on a chess website might seem trivial, but for some it is more recognition than they can get elsewhere.

And the power to disrupt is a pet for some players (and many posters)

You have to be careful about calling people cheats only.

'He Got Death Threats For Calling Out A Chess Cheater.'

YouTube


Regarding cheats here. No money or anything else involved so why do they bother..
These days I only play in the low rated hardcore events, good clean fun all round.
I played above my grade in one and got hammered, Tournament 36646 but it was me going
sac happy No silicon apparent, just a bunch of good players who took my pieces and defended well.

I know from the blog (just look at the games I select) that computer assistance is very low.

However do look out for people offering lessons based on their high RHP rating.
Get the real name from them before you part with any money.

I knew that there's no real Englishwoman of her age who could play like that unassisted - no you didn't. You're making an assumption.If a reasonably good player spends several hours,days or even weeks looking at a position could he/she not come up with the best move after intensive study?
If it was a blitz game that is different
I had no reason to believe that she was lying about her identity (why not pretend
to be a much younger woman or man?), so she was lying about not using an engine.
That statement is not logical.It's akin to saying all the players I have beaten had glasses,whereas all the games I have lost were against people with brown hair so all good chess players must have brown hair.

@Duchess64
"Yet she claimed to never have been interested in OTB chess."
Exactly.You cannot compare over the board with correspondence play.
Anyone is allowed to study books,or even games published on the internet and make move decisions based on that.That is not cheating.
You have missed all my points and contrived to insult me in the process.
I don't even know who you are talking about so what has being English got to do with anything.
Forget it.Believe what you want.If you can't have a debate without being insulting I don't wish to continue the discussion further.

she's a chess snob
and she is awesome!