1.d4 in the hands of someone who knows how to play it is a lethal weapon, as is 1.e4 in the hands of a talented or experienced player. Neither of these moves are crap, it depends on who is playing them as to how they turn out.
Originally posted by Murad d4 has always been better than e4
They are both good openings. You would be outright lying if you said d4 is better than e4 or e4 is better than d4. They both have their plusses and minusses, and it's really based on the player's style to find out which one is better. If you like tactical, e4 is probably the best bet. If you like more closed games, d4 is the way to go.
d4 makes it harder to defend for black because
after 1......d5 you have moves like
2.c4 cool queens gambit
2. e3 good as well
and after 1...Nf6(which sucks)
its proved that whites position is a bit better
p.s to DRAGON FIRE (Never??) PROVE IT!!!! BITE ME! uhhhhh
the queens gambit is not very dangerous at all. 2.e3 is a bad move; there is no need immediately render the c1 bishop passive. 1...Nf6 is the most supple response and can tranpose into virtually any queens pawn opening. If I played 1.d4 against you, it would probably take more moves for me to win than with 1.e4.
The differences between 1. d4 and 1. e4 openings are interesting and subtle. Unfortunately not in a way addressed so far by this thread.
I think the main difference arise in terms of control of the centre. After 1. e4, achieving d4 against any opening reply is easier than achieving e4 is against 1. d4 Nf6. Therfore, opening play is slower and subtler after 1. d4.
Maybe the only opening where after 1. e4, d4 is not so easy to achieve for white is in the Spanish - where to prepare d4 in 'perfect conditions' (ie w c3 and h3) white has to allow the Marshall Gambit. Suddenly in the Marshall white's position looks awkward, open to attack and under-developed; using the extra pawn is a long way off. Another main difference is that against the Sicilian, achieving d4 in the Open Sicilian means a positional compromise from white - one centre pawn versus two black ones.
Therefore, 1. e4 is more aggressive but more risky than 1. d4, because of the Marshall and the Sicilian. 1. d4 f5 - symmetrical to the Sicilian - is far riskier for black, whilst there is no equivalent for black of the Marshall in the most 'Spanish-like' 1. d4 opening, ie the Queen's Gambit Declined. Also, after the logical 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 the aggressive power of the 1. e4 openings that often comes from having a bishop sooner or later on the a2-g8 diaganol cannot really exist.
Btw, from a practical point of view the above is probably just about useless. Specific opening nuance is too well-known for such abstract intricacy to be relevant as one thinks about the concrete options on the board. But I think it's an interesting thing to think about, nonetheless.
I would post why I the statement "d4 is better" is wrong...but I don't feel any reason to argue with the maker of this thread, who is clearly an idiot.
Originally posted by Murad d4 has always been better than e4
America's first World Correspondence Champion, IM Hans Berliner, wrote a book a few years back (titled "The System"😉 in which he argues that 1 d4 is a forced win for white.
Back in the 1940's I think it was, Weaver Adams wrote a book called "White to Play and Win" in which he argued that the Vienna Game ( 1 e4 e5 2 Nc3) was a forced win for white.
Originally posted by gaychessplayer America's first World Correspondence Champion, IM Hans Berliner, wrote a book a few years back (titled "The System"😉 in which he argues that 1 d4 is a forced win for white.
Back in the 1940's I think it was, Weaver Adams wrote a book called "White to Play and Win" in which he argued that the Vienna Game ( 1 e4 e5 2 Nc3) was a forced win for white.
These two players have to be wrong. Maybe with the Latvian Gambit it could be stated as 2. .... f5 and now White can play and win.
OMG guyz it is so easy to make most of you so mad for an stupid opening threads. Anyone who goes like"the maker of this thread is clearly an IDIOT" is an IDIOT like YUGOslav.
d4 is better than e4
22 Sep '06 14:56
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