d4 is better than e4

Originally posted by darkguy00000
e4 or d4? They're both completely fine. The one thing I think d4 has that e4 doesn't is that Black can play Center Counter against e4. I think there's a 1 d4 e4, but I can't think of the name.

e4 and d4 are both great moves. I learned that e4 was better from the books I read to learn chess. I think because e4 opens up KB, allowing Kingside castling ...[text shortened]... sed to be safer.

Either way is fine. You can't say e4 is better than d4 or vice versa.

1 d4 e5 is the Englund Gambit. It is not considered sound, but you can get in trouble as White if you don't know what you're doing.

Originally posted by wannabeshiro
By the way, do any of you even have real ratings?

I have a USCF rating of 1800, and my peak published USCF rating was 2002.

Originally posted by TommyC
The differences between 1. d4 and 1. e4 openings are interesting and subtle. Unfortunately not in a way addressed so far by this thread.

I think the main difference arise in terms of control of the centre. After 1. e4, achieving d4 against any opening reply is easier than achieving e4 is against 1. d4 Nf6. Therfore, opening play is slower and subtler after ...[text shortened]... options on the board. But I think it's an interesting thing to think about, nonetheless.

The only thing I love about 1.d4 is getting to play the Benko against it.

Nice post btw, recced.

This is ridiculous. GM and engine analysis both show that e4 and d4 are of virtually equal value. Finding the objective truth in this matter will not be achieved through this thread. Moreover, the truth, if it can be found, is likely to be nuanced rather than forceful and absolute. Threads like this are a waste of time and also a disservice to RHP imo. Many good chess players will consider the level of the information so low that they won't find it worth their time.

Originally posted by YUG0slav
[b]Queen's Gambit isn't even a real gambit (2. ...dxc4 3. Qa4+)..

I don't think Qa4+ is a correct way to play QG.
Moves 3.Nf3, 3.e4 or 3.e3 are far better.

What about first move Knight to F3?

Originally posted by russell chadbourne
What about first move Knight to F3?

That move is fine. It's often played by Kramnik, who you may know is currently competing in a match for the world championship. Thus, if it's good enough for Kramnik...

As further advice, 99% of this thread is just flaming and flame bait. Just ignore it and move on.

Originally posted by Bedlam
The only thing I love about 1.d4 is getting to play the Benko against it.

Nice post btw, recced.

Ah the Benko. Best avoided by white! 3. Nf3.

Thanks for the rec. I used to wonder as a kid why 1. e4 was more aggressive than 1. d4 (in fact white can launch an attack against almost any defence after 1.e4) & back then came to the conclusion it was because of moves like Bc4, Qf3/h5, Nf3-g5, O-O and f4. Now I think it's more about the pawns.

Originally posted by Murad
Because:

d4 makes it harder to defend for black because
after 1......d5 you have moves like
2.c4 cool queens gambit
2. e3 good as well
and after 1...Nf6(which sucks)
its proved that whites position is a bit better

p.s to DRAGON FIRE (Never??) PROVE IT!!!! BITE ME! uhhhhh

Your posts are starting to lame me out.

Originally posted by BFM
I don't think Qa4+ is a correct way to play QG.
Moves 3.Nf3, 3.e4 or 3.e3 are far better.

I never said that Qa4+ was the best move!

all I meant was that the possibility of 3. Qa4+ makes the Queen's Gambit improperly named.

Originally posted by exigentsky
Threads like this are a waste of time and also a disservice to RHP imo.

Compared to this thread:

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=53167

threads like this look pretty good