Originally posted by Dragon FireActually g5 is bad against 3.Bc4. Good here is Nf6, c6, and d5.
100 - 0 - 0 is better!
and we are agreed . I can beat User 256028 in the KGA as both black and white so my opinions count for more than his and I say black takes the pawn and holds it if he wants to give white maximum hassle. White replies on move 3 Nf3 or Bc4 (nothing else).
Black keeps that f file closed. White attempts to open it up , sacr ...[text shortened]... sary.
Settled! Good!
Alternative move for black on move 2 is d5 rather than eXf. Comments?
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Originally posted by cmsMasterDid I say 3. g5 should be played after 3. Bc4?
Actually g5 is bad against 3.Bc4. Good here is Nf6, c6, and d5.
Possible responses (with no opinion to preference given) are f5, d5, Ne2, Qh4+, Nf6. I am sure there are other possibilities but these are the main lines to consider.
I will keep my choice quiet until I play User 219403
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Originally posted by cmsMasterOK it IS (possibly) a viable continuation. It is the Cunningham Gambit. I just don't like it for black and User 256028 keeps losing with it so it is not viable for him.
It IS a viable choice. My point was that black could hold that pawn and get a fair game. There are a few good Defenses for black vs. the KGA Knights opening, ex. 3...g5 3...d6 and 3...Be7 are all strong.
However I quote from Korchnoi "it is not simple for black to achieve equality with this move"
Originally posted by aging blitzerAgreed, I don't like playing the black side of KGA.
Nobody brought up the Falkbeer Counter Gambit yet.
I don't know the black side of the KG much as I don't play e5 v e4.
As White, I'm 8-2-0 against it here, but I just don't like playing against it.
As white my score is in the region of W 40 D 4 L 2
but as black it is W 1 D 0 L 1
2. d5 seems to avoid this but is it really any good?
I hate the KGA! -- but semi often find myself playing against it.
and after the Main moves e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 (Bc4 is rarer) I have tried numerous responses.
Be7 -- (With the idea of Bh4+)
as a beginer I thought this move was brilliant! - because it can prevent white castling very early on...however, experience has taught me that the white king can be quite safe.
h6 and g5 were the next moves I experiemented with both of which I have had marginal success with it -- and I had more sucess when I stopped playing g4 0-0 gxf3 (muzio gambit- C37)
The move I tend to play most however is 3. d6 [C34] - the reason for this is because of Fischer's article "bust to the KG" which serves my lazy attittude nicely - I just use it as an opening book.
Originally posted by Dragon FireI have only played the against the KGA once on this sight and one so I do not know where you are getting the info that I keep losing with it or against it.
OK it IS (possibly) a viable continuation. It is the Cunningham Gambit. I just don't like it for black and User 256028 keeps losing with it so it is not viable for him.
However I quote from Korchnoi "it is not simple for black to achieve equality with this move"
Originally posted by Shinidoki3. d6 does seem to be the response I face most often as white and I must admit, in the hands of a skilled player, it is the line that seems to cause me the most difficulty but that f file is still strong and Bc4 is good here too.
I hate the KGA! -- but semi often find myself playing against it.
and after the Main moves e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 (Bc4 is rarer) I have tried numerous responses.
Be7 -- (With the idea of Bh4+)
as a beginer I thought this move was brilliant! - because it can prevent white castling very early on...however, experience has taught me that the white king ca ...[text shortened]... le "bust to the KG" which serves my lazy attittude nicely - I just use it as an opening book.
I have never liked playing the KG as black. 3.g5 always seems to land me in trouble. 3. Be2 seems too passive and doesn't seem to get equality. I am now experimenting with a more aggressive 3. d4 or even 2. d4 both of which suit my aggressive style more. I have actually never played 3. d6 as black.
Originally posted by GolubI think I read once that you should
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5
is a nice way of handling the KG
I think you can also accept the pawn and hang on to it, just needs some accurate play.. The only thing I wouldn't do is the decline the pawn (ie 2.. d6) because then white probably has an easy game.
... always accept the K G
... always decline the Q G
as white gets the better game if black does anything different.
Of course, opinions change.