29 Feb 08
Originally posted by Ragnorakh5 and rook on c8. I'm a patzer so that's all I can say.
I'm looking for some ideas for playing my Sicillian dragon against the Yugoslav attack with g4, h4.
That is the one line which destroys me everytime. I've practically decided to drop the Dragon because of the line.
Any ideas gratefully accepted.
D
29 Feb 08
Originally posted by RagnorakPost an actual line, it's useless to talk about the Dragon without being completely specific. I love the Dragon, so I'd love to help, but please give a specific line. 😀
I'm looking for some ideas for playing my Sicillian dragon against the Yugoslav attack with g4, h4.
That is the one line which destroys me everytime. I've practically decided to drop the Dragon because of the line.
Any ideas gratefully accepted.
D
29 Feb 08
Originally posted by !~TONY~!This is pretty much the line I'm talking about...
Post an actual line, it's useless to talk about the Dragon without being completely specific. I love the Dragon, so I'd love to help, but please give a specific line. 😀
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. f3 Bg7 7. Be3 O-O 8. Qd2
Nc6 9. O-O-O Bd7 10. g4 *
with this being the position...
with 11. h4 to follow. I won't give black's 10th move as I'm not sure what the best 1 is. Also, I'm not entirely happy with 9...Bd7.
Thanks,
D
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29 Feb 08
Originally posted by RagnorakYou could try a line known as the 'Chinese Dragon', which involves putting the rook on b8, instead of the normal c8 square, and playing an early ..b5.
I'm looking for some ideas for playing my Sicillian dragon against the Yugoslav attack with g4, h4.
That is the one line which destroys me everytime. I've practically decided to drop the Dragon because of the line.
Any ideas gratefully accepted.
D
I've used this line in a few games with great results. For instance:-
Game 2142212
Game 3270212
Game 2472701
The last game was very entertaining! 🙂
29 Feb 08
Originally posted by !~TONY~!I'm guessing the following one: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 g6 6 Be3 Bg7 7 f3 Nc6 8 Qd2 O-O 9 O-O-O Bd7 10 g4. Of course, Black has two common divergences on move 9: Nxd4 or d5.
Post an actual line, it's useless to talk about the Dragon without being completely specific. I love the Dragon, so I'd love to help, but please give a specific line. 😀
29 Feb 08
Originally posted by David TebbI guess this is where the specific line needed to be given.
You could try a line known as the 'Chinese Dragon', which involves putting the rook on b8, instead of the normal c8 square, and playing an early ..b5.
I've used this line in a few games with great results. For instance:-
Game 2142212
Game 3270212
Game 2472701
The last game was very entertaining! 🙂
I've no problem playing against the Yugoslav when Bc4 has been played as it gives me a target to gain tempo for my own development. My HUGE problem is against white lines where the light bishop stays at home, and the tempo is invested instead in the g and h pawn advance.
I'll find a few games to post.
D
29 Feb 08
Originally posted by !~TONY~!hey, what was the dragon book again, the one you and cms have been talking about many times? I'm thinking about maybe going back to dragon, but this time booking up properly...
Post an actual line, it's useless to talk about the Dragon without being completely specific. I love the Dragon, so I'd love to help, but please give a specific line. 😀
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29 Feb 08
Originally posted by RagnorakIf White plays 9.0-0-0 instead of Bc4, I think Black should definitely play ..d5. With the bishop on f1, lines with ..Bd7 are too slow.
I guess this is where the specific line needed to be given.
I've no problem playing against the Yugoslav when Bc4 has been played as it gives me a target to gain tempo for my own development. My HUGE problem is against white lines where the light bishop stays at home, and the tempo is invested instead in the g and h pawn advance.
I'll find a few games to post.
D
If White delays castling, playing moves like g4 or h4, then Black has various options that are playable.
29 Feb 08
Originally posted by RagnorakWell the problem is that 9...Bd7 in that position is known to be not so good for Black, so it's no surprise that you're having trouble. Play 9...d5! As far as the book, it's Play the Sicilian Dragon by Dearing. Great book.
This is pretty much the line I'm talking about...
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. f3 Bg7 7. Be3 O-O 8. Qd2
Nc6 9. O-O-O Bd7 10. g4 *
with this being the position...
[fen]r2q1rk1/pp1bppbp/2np1np1/8/3NP1P1/2N1BP2/PPPQ3P/2KR1B1R b - - 0 10[/fen]
with 11. h4 to follow. I won't give black's 10th move as I'm not sure what the best 1 is. Also, I'm not entirely happy with 9...Bd7.
Thanks,
D
29 Feb 08
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Originally posted by !~TONY~!If I could...I after 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Bd4! Black has a few options, but the mainline option of 12...e5 doesn't seem that strong to me, as Tony illustrated in this game:
Well the problem is that 9...Bd7 in that position is known to be not so good for Black, so it's no surprise that you're having trouble. Play 9...d5! As far as the book, it's Play the Sicilian Dragon by Dearing. Great book.
Game 2579064
I've also played the white side of that variation and generally felt white has a pretty good edge. So instead of that mainline move you (Rag/Wormwood) might want to check out 12...Nxc3 as a good alternative.
29 Feb 08
Nb4 ? whats wrong with this? threatens the a pawn, if their isn't an immediate reaction, he has strong play with Qa5, furthermore it promotes white into prematurely moving his knight for a discovered attack with his queen, therefore removing part of the center threat by the knight, i don't see any errors with this play...although be it super aggressive.