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  1. Subscriber huckleberryhound
    Devout Agnostic.
    09 Oct '06 22:46
    I found that as a novice (comparatively), most of my games reach a conclusion, be it win, or loss. I have noticed, however, many of the games that GM's play end in a draw. . .How many games do you draw ?
    I'm just wondering at what stage inthe game do you decide to work towards a draw instead of a win ? I have found my draw rate has increased as i get better.
  2. Standard member MCA
    TokerSmurf
    09 Oct '06 23:08
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    I found that as a novice (comparatively), most of my games reach a conclusion, be it win, or loss. I have noticed, however, many of the games that GM's play end in a draw. . .How many games do you draw ?
    I'm just wondering at what stage inthe game do you decide to work towards a draw instead of a win ? I have found my draw rate has increased as i get better.
    i rarely accept a draw (i tend to see it as a sign of weakness from my opponent to offer one - but i have been proven wrong) and never work towards one - but then i am only 1350-1400 ish
  3. Standard member GalaxyShield
    Mr. Shield
    09 Oct '06 23:56
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    I found that as a novice (comparatively), most of my games reach a conclusion, be it win, or loss. I have noticed, however, many of the games that GM's play end in a draw. . .How many games do you draw ?
    I'm just wondering at what stage inthe game do you decide to work towards a draw instead of a win ? I have found my draw rate has increased as i get better.
    In 2 tournaments earlier this year which consisted of 14 total games, I drew 8.
  4. Subscriber huckleberryhound
    Devout Agnostic.
    10 Oct '06 00:24
    I've just drawn another game, and have one draw refused that i know is going to end that way, I find it is the best result for games where i am a bishop or knight down.
    I know i have only 19 draws, but i have had maybe 3 in the past 20 games which considering i have played 450 games, that is a veritable flood.
  5. 10 Oct '06 00:46
    FICS -- Shinidoki's Standard Rating:

    Won: 1519
    Lost: 1656
    Drew: 161

    (total:- 3336)

    My rating is around 1600-1700 90% of the time.

    RHP --

    Won: 62
    Lost: 46
    Drew: 10

    1600.


    So....draw's are rare at my level
  6. 10 Oct '06 06:42
    I'm a low 1300 ish player and draws are really rare at my level. I'd have no idea how to work towards a draw except for trading everything off.

    Another reason is that there are so many blunders, once your opponent blunders away a piece you probably have sufficient power to force a win. Last reason, players at my level don't want to draw, they want to win. I had a game were I was up a rook, but by pushing too far I allowed a perpetual check, instead of taking it and drawing (I even offered the draw in advance to end a bit quicker) he decided to do something else and try to get the win.
  7. Standard member Mathurine
    sorozatgyilkos
    10 Oct '06 08:02
    When evenly matched opponents play "correctly," the games seldom have any content and frequently end in draws
    Emanuel Lasker
  8. 10 Oct '06 08:20
    This is one game that a draw saved me from a sure loss.
    Game 2083605
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Gonzalo de Córdoba
    10 Oct '06 08:41
    I'm a mid 1500's player, and I have 134 wins, 93 losses and 12 draws.
  10. 10 Oct '06 08:54
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm a mid 1500's player, and I have 134 wins, 93 losses and 12 draws.
    I'm mid 1400 (peeked once at 1598) and have 114, wins, 53 losses and 6 draws.

    There is certainly a correlation between rating and percentage draws.
    When I'm getting better I'll have more draws relatively.
  11. Standard member Mathurine
    sorozatgyilkos
    10 Oct '06 09:22
    Originally posted by 7ate9
    I have a new friend. How are you, having a good day?
    Pretty good, thanks, 7ate9 !
  12. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    10 Oct '06 09:42 / 1 edit
    Won 216
    Lost 26
    Draw 37 (13.26% )

    More draws than losses tells you something.

    Take a draw if:
    1. In an equal position any attempt to win will weaken your position and improve your opponents prospects (this can happen reasonally early in the game and you may still be in book);
    2. You are worse but have counterplay giving chances of a perpetual, material win is your opponent does not play a forced move or a repetition then take it;
    3. You are slightly worse against a weaker player who probably does not know how to win - offer it; or
    4. You are in a technically drawn end game (eg K & 2N v K).

    If you are much worse and have no drawing chances offering a draw mis, in my opinion, just rude.
  13. 10 Oct '06 13:57
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    Won 216
    Lost 26
    Draw 37 (13.26% )

    More draws than losses tells you something.

    Take a draw if:
    1. In an equal position any attempt to win will weaken your position and improve your opponents prospects (this can happen reasonally early in the game and you may still be in book);
    2. You are worse but have counterplay giving chances of a perpetual, ...[text shortened]... If you are much worse and have no drawing chances offering a draw mis, in my opinion, just rude.
    I've been in a lot of technically drawn endgames lately. I have blundered 2 of them away due to blitzing the move as soon as the page loads.... =( I have also swindled a few people lately turning sure losses into draws. My favorite was in a recent OTB. My catalan went horibly wrong and I dropped the exchange on move 20. His 2 rooks opened up and decimated my position. However, in the ensuing checks, my king "wandered" to g6 where his pawns protected me for a turn. My excellent knight on d6 and rook on c7 forced a perpetual. Anyhow, if a higher rated player offers in a technically drawn position, I take it. If they are more than 100 points below me, I make them prove the draw.
  14. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    10 Oct '06 14:32
    Originally posted by zebano
    I've been in a lot of technically drawn endgames lately. I have blundered 2 of them away due to blitzing the move as soon as the page loads.... =( I have also swindled a few people lately turning sure losses into draws. My favorite was in a recent OTB. My catalan went horibly wrong and I dropped the exchange on move 20. His 2 rooks opened up and decimated my ...[text shortened]... n position, I take it. If they are more than 100 points below me, I make them prove the draw.
    Absolutely, my point 3.

    The problem when you are both about equal is that either of you could blunder so taking the technical draw might be wise rather than, in effect, relying on your opponent to blunder. That is what I have been doing here.
  15. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    10 Oct '06 14:53
    I turned down draw offers in Game 2156947 and Game 2142746. In each game I subsequently sacrificed a pawn looking for a win. One sacrifice worked, and I had to force repetition to avoid loss in the other.