Originally posted by Fat LadyIf I remember correctly, I have seen this term the first time here on RHP (but quite often). There is probably no need for this other than for CC players/chess sites.
I still don't think this is particularly unusual, I don't the term is used that much. It's probably used more in online chess forums than in chess clubs.
Originally posted by JonathanB of LondonIt was deleted because it was full of cheating accusations, and these are not allowed here, no matter whether they turn out to be right or not. They do seem to be effective, though...
I don't know ... it's mentioned earlier on this thread I think. I think it was a shame it got deleted though.
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talking of funny...
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=86547&page=2
Thread 86547
you have to scroll down about halfway on page 2.
and there's an equally good contribution at the bottom of page 3 from Lausey too :-)
Originally posted by NordlysThe interesting question is not why people don't play in chess clubs. There could be lots of reasons as you point out.
It's an interesting question. I would believe that it would be possible to reach such a standard without ever playing OTB, but on the other hand I think most people who have an interest in chess that is serious enough to get so far will also eventually want to try their skills on the board. On the third hand 😉, if you have become a decent CC player without ...[text shortened]... able everywhere, and for some people OTB may not be an option due to illness or disabilities.
The interesting question is:
Could you become a very strong player without ever attending a chess club or having a good tutor? My answer would be no.
I'm aware that more and more resources are available online these days which could all add to your chess education. But still I find it very hard to believe that you could obtain the basical chess understanding needed to play at that level without good tutoring and the benefits of doing post-mortem analysis with your otb opponents.
Consider the 3 phases of the game: opening, middlegame, endgame
Which area would suffer most if you lack chess club experience/good tutoring?
Openings: With databases and lots of good opening books and GM games available you could probably do pretty well without any otb experience.
Middlegame: Knowing the plans of middlegame positions could to some extent be obtained from books and perhaps online resources like GM games and articles. But you would probably miss any deeper understanding of the position which could only be reached from playing numerous games against training partners
Endgame: In this area you would suffer badly without having the sufficient education. There are lots of basic endings which can be very hard to win if you don't know the technique required. An example could be winning certain rook endings with one or two pawns up or mating with N+B+K against K. I guess these would be very difficult to learn without any practical training.
Originally posted by cludiEndgame: In this area you would suffer badly without having the sufficient education. There are lots of basic endings which can be very hard to win if you don't know the technique required. An example could be winning certain rook endings with one or two pawns up or mating with N+B+K against K. I guess these would be very difficult to learn without any practical training.
The interesting question is not why people don't play in chess clubs. There could be lots of reasons as you point out.
The interesting question is:
Could you become a very strong player without ever attending a chess club or having a good tutor? My answer would be no.
I'm aware that more and more resources are available online these days which could al ...[text shortened]... B+K against K. I guess these would be very difficult to learn without any practical training.
There is free endgame training online available at http://www.personalchesstraining.com/
Originally posted by cludiBut the question was whether it's possible without ever attending a chess club, not without ever attending a chess club or having a good tutor. I don't see why someone couldn't learn via online lessons which are available at several sites, as well as post-mortem analysis with your online opponents. And of course you can study books, DVDs etc.; and you can play games with the same time controls as OTB. I really don't see why the face-to-face contact would make such a big difference.
The interesting question is not why people don't play in chess clubs. There could be lots of reasons as you point out.
The interesting question is:
Could you become a very strong player without ever attending a chess club or having a good tutor? My answer would be no.
I'm aware that more and more resources are available online these days which could al ...[text shortened]... B+K against K. I guess these would be very difficult to learn without any practical training.
Originally posted by NordlysIt was ericee1 who started it and admitted he has no OTB experience. Someone posted one or two of his real games. That should have stood as well as the guys hurling insults at others for finding "nothing wrong". Where are these guys now?
It was deleted because it was full of cheating accusations, and these are not allowed here, no matter whether they turn out to be right or not. They do seem to be effective, though...
Originally posted by cludiAbout which level of chess play are you talking?
The interesting question is not why people don't play in chess clubs. There could be lots of reasons as you point out.
The interesting question is:
Could you become a very strong player without ever attending a chess club or having a good tutor? My answer would be no.
I'm aware that more and more resources are available online these days which could al ...[text shortened]... B+K against K. I guess these would be very difficult to learn without any practical training.
Originally posted by NordlysWhen you read the story of Susan Polgar (the senior of the three), then she was already a strong player when her father finally was able to let her play (despite the attitude towards kids and girls) against the better players of a club (and beat them). So, I wouldn't over-emphasise the importance of chess clubs. Many clubs are filled with mediocre players who will never reach a 2000+ level.
But the question was whether it's possible without ever attending a chess club, not without ever attending a chess club or having a good tutor. I don't see why someone couldn't learn via online lessons which are available at several sites, as well as post-mortem analysis with your online opponents. And of course you can study books, DVDs etc.; and you ...[text shortened]... ls as OTB. I really don't see why the face-to-face contact would make such a big difference.
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Originally posted by RagnorakRN: what's "over the board?"
Does a top rated player who doesn't know what OTB is count?
If so, I nominate User 225175
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=39097&page=4
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LMAO! I wonder if he calls Knights "horsees"!
Originally posted by Fat LadyThanks Fat Lady. That was a crazy game.
There seems to be a lot of anti Red Night feeling on some threads. I played him a couple of times a long time ago and he seemed like a great guy to me, even though he somehow managed to beat me from a completely drawn position. I'm sure he mentioned playing for a chess club in Scotland as well. I looked at the thread you posted and it's obvious he had never ...[text shortened]... with that. At least he didn't ask "what's a board?", then I would have been suspicious.
Rarrogant loves to bring this comment up as part of his never ending assault on me and my friends.
I'm in my 40's. When I played tournament chess, there was no internet.
I lived in NYC for many years. In New York there used to be a place called "Off Track Betting" universally referred to as "OTB"
RHP was my first internet chess experience. I had never heard the term OTB used as internet chess lingo.
I was also unaware that people would analyze everything I said on this site and use it against me at a future date.
I felt a little foolish at the time and asked the second question, which Sicilian Smog correctly identified as a poor joke.