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good opening as white...

good opening as white...

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If you don't want something too aggresive and with few variations, then try the King's Indian Attack. It's a bit passive for white and the formation can be set up against almost anything black plays.

and 1. c3 is retarted. If you want to play d4 then play 1. d4 right away...

another way to look at it is: if you were white, would you play the line 1. d4 d5 2. c3?! which transposes to the same position as 1. c3?! d5 2. d4

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Why not the Barcza Opening? It is quite safe.

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[Event "uChess rated"]
[Site "www.uchess.com"]
[Date "2006.8.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EcstremeVenom"]
[Black "Special Escort"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. c2-c3 e7-e5 2. d2-d4 e5-e4 3. g2-g3 b7-b6 4. Bf1-g2 Bc8-b7 5. Qd1-c2 Ng8-f6 6. Bc1-g5 d7-d5 7. Nb1-d2 h7-h6 8. Bg5xf6 Qd8xf6 9. c3-c4 c7-c5 10. c4xd5 Bb7xd5 11. Bg2xe4 Bd5-c6 12. Be4xc6 Nb8xc6 13. Qc2-e4 Bf8-e7 14. d4-d5 Qf6xb2 15. Ra1-b1 Qb2-e5 16. d5xc6 Qe5xe4 17. Nd2xe4 Ra8-c8 18. Ng1-f3 Rc8xc6 19. O-O O-O 20. Rb1-d1 Rc6-e6 21. Ne4-c3 Be7-f6 22. Nc3-d5 Re6xe2 23. Nd5xf6 g7xf6 24. Rd1-d2 Re2-e4 25. Rf1-d1 Kg8-g7 26. Kg1-g2 Re4-a4 27. Nf3-h4 a7-a5 28. Rd2-e2 b6-b5 29. Rd1-d5 Rf8-c8 30. Nh4-f5 Kg7-h7 31. Rd5-d7 c5-c4 32. Re2-e7 c4-c3 33. Re7xf7 Kh7-g6 34. Nf5-h4 Ra4xh4 35. g3xh4 Rc8-c4 36. Kg2-g3 c3-c2 37. Rf7-g7 Kg6-f5 38. Rg7-e7 c2-c1=Q 39. Rd7-d5 Kf5-g6 40. h4-h5 1-0

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
[Event "uChess rated"]
[Site "www.uchess.com"]
[Date "2006.8.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EcstremeVenom"]
[Black "Special Escort"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. c2-c3 e7-e5 2. d2-d4 e5-e4 3. g2-g3 b7-b6 4. Bf1-g2 Bc8-b7 5. Qd1-c2 Ng8-f6 6. Bc1-g5 d7-d5 7. Nb1-d2 h7-h6 8. Bg5xf6 Qd8xf6 9. c3-c4 c7-c5 10. c4xd5 Bb7xd5 11. Bg2xe4 Bd5-c6 12. Be4xc6 Nb8xc6 13. Qc2 ...[text shortened]... Kg2-g3 c3-c2 37. Rf7-g7 Kg6-f5 38. Rg7-e7 c2-c1=Q 39. Rd7-d5 Kf5-g6 40. h4-h5 1-0
OH WOW, you recorded 1 win!!! Amazing, I'm totally swayed. You really showed us.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
OH WOW, you recorded 1 win!!! Amazing, I'm totally swayed. You really showed us.
LOL i asked for help not to be criticized you fruitcake.

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
LOL i asked for help not to be criticized you fruitcake.
Fruitcake?? I'm not the one playing 1.c3, buddy. And in that post you didn't ask for help, you just posted a game. Which I didn't bother looking over because I'm sure there are major tactical errors in there...

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Fruitcake?? I'm not the one playing 1.c3, buddy. And in that post you didn't ask for help, you just posted a game. Which I didn't bother looking over because I'm sure there are major tactical errors in there...
this whole thread was for help not criticism.

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
this whole thread was for help not criticism.
Criticism helps sometimes.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Criticism helps sometimes.
i just got smashed with c3 lol.

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Allow me to try and Explain, why 1.c3 is bad.


In the opening Developing peices is the only way to survive, let alone win. therefore, the best moves are those that hinder your openants development, and at the same time, improve your own.

Good things about 1. c3
A) can support d4 (IF IT ADVANCES)
B) gives Queen diagonal


Good things about 1.e5
1. e5
A) controls the centre
B) Opens up files diagonals for bishop AND Queen. (2 for 1)



what makes 1.c3 bad is two things

A) 1.e5 does MORE (thus should be prefered)
B) C3 is almost allways a good square for a Knight, By putting a pawn there you hinder your own development -- hence, 1.c4 is considered a MUCH BETTER MOVE

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Good analysis, but I think you mean e4.

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As someone below a 1200 rating, you should have absolutely no clue what a grob is let alone what to do with one when you see one.

Seriously: don't get concerned about the opening. Play 1. e4 (or d4 if you insist), learn the opening principles, and go from there. Rather than memorising a few opening lines that won't get you very far, its better to make play by principles, and analyse your mistakes afterwards so that you don't repeat them.

It also helps reading annotated games, like the ones on www.academicchess.org.

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Originally posted by exigentsky
Good analysis, but I think you mean e4.
Well, When I post I ALLWAYS get something wrong; better it be a typo than flawed thinking.

1.e4 it is, not e5.

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I prefer c4, or e4 so I can follow with c4.

The whale is where it's at, yo.

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Its late to join this thread, but seriously - if you are after learning the moves then you aren't playing chess, cos your opponent won't have learnt the same moves as you - you'll do better if you control the centre, develop, don't grab pawns and when you have the advantage - ATTACK!!!!
fritz will play any first move and beat any challanger (yes, even you Gary or was that deep blue??) why - because moves 2 to the end control the centre, develop quickly, fritz doesn't grab pawns and when fritz has the advantage fritz ATTACKS!!!! btw - lol with g4