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  1. 20 Jan '08 02:26
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won about 70 games straight against opponents as high as in the 1800's.
    The graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
  2. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    20 Jan '08 02:30
    Originally posted by pijun
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won abo ...[text shortened]... e graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
    i wouldnt put anything here, id just go directly to someone like cludi... as long as it doesnt turn out to be a conspiricy..
  3. 20 Jan '08 02:30
    Originally posted by pijun
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won abo ...[text shortened]... e graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
    I wouldn't hesitate to report such a player to the admins.
  4. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    20 Jan '08 02:32 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by pijun
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won abo e graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
    Well, when you are looking for an open invite or challenge always try to pick someone without rollercoaster graph.. That should do the trick, look for players with stable ratings and you won't face cheaters that often.
  5. 20 Jan '08 02:37
    Originally posted by pijun
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won abo ...[text shortened]... e graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
    It sure sounds suspicious, so I would report it (you can either send feedback or PM one of the game mods directly). That's what the game mods are for.
  6. 20 Jan '08 03:44
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Well, when you are looking for an open invite or challenge always try to pick someone without rollercoaster graph.. That should do the trick, look for players with stable ratings and you won't face cheaters that often.
    I would go so far as to say that more than half of the people here have roller-coaster graph's...I would just avoid graph's where people just shoot up and never go back down even for an instant...actually to be honest I believe roller-coaster graph's are a good sign that somebody isn't cheating because it shows that they play good during periods and bad during others while an engine plays the same all the time.
  7. 20 Jan '08 04:48
    Originally posted by pijun
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won abo ...[text shortened]... e graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
    i wouldn't obsess over this person. if your suspeciion is merely based on rating graphs, then it is not enough. you have to evaluate the nature of the players moves, but that is left for masters not beginners.
  8. 20 Jan '08 05:30
    Originally posted by tonytiger41
    i wouldn't obsess over this person. if your suspeciion is merely based on rating graphs, then it is not enough. you have to evaluate the nature of the players moves, but that is left for masters not beginners.
    It doesn't require an obsession to simply send feedback and leave it at that. In a case where you see a player losing most of his initial games to 800s and then going onto a 70 game winning streak against players up to 1800, that merits feedback. In fact, IMHO it'd be irresponsible to spot something like that and not send feedback.

    Your post implies that OP's feedback will automatically result in that person getting sanctioned. That's not how it works, and the OP doesn't need to evaluate anything to send feedback, that's the job of the admins. They're the ones who'll look at the games and see if there's anything going on or not.
  9. 20 Jan '08 05:47
    Originally posted by scandium
    .... Your post implies that OP's feedback will automatically result in that person getting sanctioned. That's not how it works ...
    It's a bit amusing to read how someone with 3 months RHP experience lectures to someone who has been here 6.5 years
  10. 20 Jan '08 06:08
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    It's a bit amusing to read how someone with 3 months RHP experience lectures to someone who has been here 6.5 years
    I wasn't lecturing him, I merely stated my own informed opinion on the subject, although I find it interesting that you'd read so much into a post that wasn't addressed to you that you feel the need to react as though it was and you'd taken it personally.

    That opinion, by the way, is informed by over 12 years of internet chess on another server and a couple seasons as a TD in an online chess league, where this issue came up routinely and where an anti-cheating system was in place. Whether here or elsewhere cheaters are all pretty much the same, as are the methods of catching them.

    And they don't get caught unless someone reports them. It doesn't take 6 years to figure that out.
  11. 20 Jan '08 18:44
    Originally posted by tonytiger41
    i wouldn't obsess over this person. if your suspeciion is merely based on rating graphs, then it is not enough. you have to evaluate the nature of the players moves, but that is left for masters not beginners.
    its not obsessing over some player its having doubts whether they are cheating or not. the information provided seems good enough to send to the mods. you do not have to evaluate the nature of the players moves but that depends on the situation. and it doesnt have to be left to masters not beginners (while it might have more benefit). one way of checking is you can run a persons game using an engine, 2, or 3 and see how well the moves correspond, how many mistakes were made, etc.
  12. Subscriber C J Horse
    A stable personality
    20 Jan '08 18:55
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Well, when you are looking for an open invite or challenge always try to pick someone without rollercoaster graph..
    A rollercoaster graph (like mine) is a sign of honesty. Most of my games are clan games and my theory is that my rating goes up while winning until I eventually get to a point where I'm being matched with opponents of an apparently similar rating, but who are well capable of beating me (because I am now over-rated). I then get a load of losses until my rating shrinks to a point where I get matched with players I have a good chance of beating. Then I start to go up again. And so on. And so on.
  13. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    20 Jan '08 19:06
    Laspus lingua, sorry! I meant graph which is stable for 2 years and then it goes up for 400 points in 2 months
  14. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    20 Jan '08 20:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by pijun
    Yes another one of these threads.
    What if there is a player you think is cheating?
    I didn't want to nag the admins in case i'm wrong and i waste their time. Especially if in the future there is a player I think really is cheating.
    Anyways, the person in question lost most of their first 20 provisional games to 800 and 900 players. Thereafter they won abo e graph just shoots up afterwards with no losses.

    I won't say the name, for many reasons.
    You need to look first of all at why he lost those 1st 20 games. Did he play well and were they TOs? Did he play like a total patzer? Was the rating rise manipulated with short quick wins against other suspect players?

    If he played like a patzer for 20 games then started thumping 1800s he is worth reporting. An analysis of his wins against those stronger opponents may rapidly indicate engine use.

    If you have reason to be suspicious, report it!

    Edit: I have now identified the player you are talking about. A lot of his early games were played against the same opponents and it looks as if they were just messing about, perhaps blitzing the games. I then had a look at a few of his later games but noticed nothing particularly suspect about his moves. The improved run of success may merely be a result of taking the games a little more seriously but at this stage they do not appear to be engine moves and he has beaten no one of any consequence.
  15. 20 Jan '08 21:22
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    I would go so far as to say that more than half of the people here have roller-coaster graph's...I would just avoid graph's where people just shoot up and never go back down even for an instant...actually to be honest I believe roller-coaster graph's are a good sign that somebody isn't cheating because it shows that they play good during periods and bad during others while an engine plays the same all the time.
    You mean you would avoid players with a graph like your own ? LOL