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I can't take it anymore! I need a black e4 defen

I can't take it anymore! I need a black e4 defen

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Originally posted by paultopia
Soooo... wanna tell me about the Larsen variation? :-)

although I must confess, I mostly know Larsen for his truly spectacular losses, mainly to Tal...
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1139729
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1139724

and then there's...
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1128831
He asked for help from the two Larsen fans and posts a bunch of games of Larsen getting beat up. You haven't seen him cracking skulls! Anyway, I do believe it goes something to the effect of:

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 exd
4. Nxd4

and then some combination of ..Nc6, ..g6, and ...Bg7. If white has got some and castles long, Black can use the open b-file (from Nd4 x c6 ...bxc6) and the Bg7 to lay it down. SirLoseALot can prolly give you the real line!

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
What happened to avoiding the ruy??
desperation?

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Originally posted by paultopia
desperation?
LOL Never despare,there's always something you can play 🙂
Ok,the Philidor,Larsen variation.It's one of the easiest openings to play.Black uses some simple ideas: develop,castle kingside,place a rook on e8 and a knight on c6,pawnstorm on queenside.
1.e4,e5
2.Nf3,d6
3.d4,exd4
4.Nxd4,g6
5.Nc3,Bg7
6.Be3,Nf6
7.Qd2,O-O
8.O-O-O,Nc6
9.f3,Re8

and black has reached the desired position.All elements for a good battle are presented.Nothing lame or boring about this line.Often white takes on c6,creating a half-open b-file,which black can use very well.Replay some games,see if you like it 🙂

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
LOL Never despare,there's always something you can play 🙂
Ok,the Philidor,Larsen variation.It's one of the easiest openings to play.Black uses some simple ideas: develop,castle kingside,place a rook on e8 and a knight on c6,pawnstorm on queenside.
1.e4,e5
2.Nf3,d6
3.d4,exd4
4.Nxd4,g6
5.Nc3,Bg7
6.Be3,Nf6
7.Qd2,O-O
8.O-O-O,Nc6
9.f3,Re8

and ...[text shortened]... reating a half-open b-file,which black can use very well.Replay some games,see if you like it 🙂
Woa! It looks exactly like the dragon, except black's e pawn is gone instead of the c pawn. Interesting... What happens if white plays 5. c4 going for some kind of marcozy thing?

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Originally posted by paultopia
Woa! It looks exactly like the dragon, except black's e pawn is gone instead of the c pawn. Interesting... What happens if white plays 5. c4 going for some kind of marcozy thing?
Dunno about c4,but yes,it's a lot like the dragon.Which is why I have such fun when people say it sucks,and then recommend the sicilian.Believe me,that happens a lot.

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Originally posted by paultopia
Woa! It looks exactly like the dragon, except black's e pawn is gone instead of the c pawn. Interesting... What happens if white plays 5. c4 going for some kind of marcozy thing?
Put all your pieces on dark squares and do that whole even laugh thing.....Lol.....

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Just had a look at 5.c4.Why would white do that?It locks in his own bishop,and the d5 square is not really an issue for black anyway.I say,smile,and simply continue with Bg7.
And do that evil laugh thing 🙂

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Sure enough...I don't have a board, so I just assumed you should put all your pieces on dark squares. Turns out, c4 pretty much sucks! Lol....Sweet opening. I have been playing the craziest games lately!

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King's Indian is played in response to 1. d4. Are you trying to say you play it against 1. e4 somehow?

Sorry didn't mean to say that (although classical KID does have e4 being played so it could transpose. Whether it would or not is another matter). The King's Indian Defence is my choice against d4.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
King's Indian is played in response to 1. d4. Are you trying to say you play it against 1. e4 somehow?

Sorry didn't mean to say that (although classical KID does have e4 being played so it could transpose. Whether it would or not is another matter). The King's Indian Defence is my choice against d4.
I must be missing something LOL

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
Dunno about c4,but yes,it's a lot like the dragon.Which is why I have such fun when people say it sucks,and then recommend the sicilian.Believe me,that happens a lot.
Larsen is, probably, OK, but don't overestimate it too. I think Dragon's open c-file is better than open e-file in 0-0-0/0-0 positions. I met this variation just once and scored a quick victory against much higher rated player (which says nothing, of course😀).

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Originally posted by egsmith
I guess technically it's a kings indian (according to chessgames.com), but it always turns into a sicilian dragon (B73) when I play it.
It's Modern defence - cousine of Pirc🙂

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Originally posted by TovMauzer
Larsen is, probably, OK, but don't overestimate it too. I think Dragon's open c-file is better than open e-file in 0-0-0/0-0 positions. I met this variation just once and scored a quick victory against much higher rated player (which says nothing, of course😀).
I only ever said it was a decent line.It's not the all time best opening,but with the criteria paul set,it's a very good option,IMO.

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Right! The larsen attack it is. At least for the moment... worth a shot at least. Will certainly take my opponents out of book :-)

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Originally posted by egsmith
One nice thing about the sicilian, you can tranpose to it from just about anywhere, including 1.d4.
1. d4 d6 2. e4 g6
and welcome back to theory...
I never play e4 when I open with d4. What I really hate is that French transposition that black players tend to try, with 1.d4 e6, and then hoping I play e4 and then they play d5. This is why I never play e4, otherwise I would be playing French all the time as white, as a lot of RHP players love this transposition, it is common on UChess aswell.