I don't get it!  Why cheat?

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e4

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We must have posted together.
a6 is the move.

Apology accepted by the way. But I'm a clown.

Someone did say ChessMaster and I got all confuddled.

(I could have lied and said it was Rybka - but that would
have been cheating - which what this thread was all about)

Playing GM Jacob Aagaard on Saturday in a simul.
My simul record is terrible P.6. L5. D1 (draw v Russian GM Shamkovitch)

Hate the fact you have to move when the GM appears.
It is an advantage to the Master giving the simul.
He can take as long as he likes - you MUST move.

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I played Vugar Gashimov in a simul a few weeks back, painful experience 🙁 I think if he had of opened up with anything apart from the English id have fancied my chances a little more ( ie 0.1% as opposed to 0.000001% )but after 1.c4, yeah ouch 🙂

Good luck against Aagaard

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Noticed the challenge v the computer.

"....we could fire it up in playchess's engine room,"

Be very interested to take it on.

Not sure what you mean about the playchess engine room.

Is it blitz, 10 minute, 90 minutes games?

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If you download the playchess client from www.playchess.com we can then log on and you can play rybka. You can pick the time of the game(s).

MR

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Be interesting to see what Rybka (what a silly forgetable name)
does in the opening.
Maybe a silly name, but not forgettable to me! In Czech it means "little fish". Now does it make sense that the new GUI for Rybka will be called the Aquarium? 🙂

e4

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Can't we play on here?

They should do that. Set up a competition for Engine Users v
Engine users. NO HUMANS ALLOWED.

I'll get back to you on this. Will see my publisher tell them I want to
review Rybka, they will get me a copy. I'll set it to play itself at
10 minute games. I'll memorise it's win/losses and then take it on.

I'll win and put the package on ebay for £1.00.

If you knock off it's book and play 1.e4 does it play the 3...Qe7
Petrov line or was that Chess Master as well?

Again with no book. Let it 'think' for 5 minutes.
What does it think are the best opening moves.
1.Nf3 then 1.Nc3 then 1.d4

It's what Botvinnik predicted Computers would play in the future.
This was mid 1970's.

Little Fish - I like that. Little Fish it is from now on.

V

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Again with no book. Let it 'think' for 5 minutes.
What does it think are the best opening moves.
1.Nf3 then 1.Nc3 then 1.d4

It's what Botvinnik predicted Computers would play in the future.
This was mid 1970's.
For what it's worth...

Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a mp :

1. = (0.09): 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.d4 d5 3.Nf3 g6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 Nc6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Ne5 Bf5
2. = (0.09): 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 g6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 Nc6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Ne5 Bf5
3. = (0.09): 1.g3 Nc6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nc3 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.d4 d5 7.Ne5 Bf5

After 5 mins. It's keen to transpose from one to another.

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Interesting.

Figured 1.Nf3 and 1.Nc3 as they both control central squares.
and do not weaken the pawns.

Wonder why it prefers 1.g3 to 1.Nf3.

V

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Interesting.

Figured 1.Nf3 and 1.Nc3 as they both control central squares.
and do not weaken the pawns.

Wonder why it prefers 1.g3 to 1.Nf3.
I got it initially to display only it's top 3, but with more lines displayed we get an answer...

1. = (0.09): 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 Nc6 4.g3 g6 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.0-0 0-0 7.Ne5 Bf5
2. = (0.09): 1.Nc3 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nc6 4.g3 g6 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.0-0 0-0 7.Ne5 Bf5
3. = (0.09): 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 g6 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.0-0 0-0 7.Ne5 Bf5
4. = (0.09): 1.g3 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 d5 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.0-0 0-0 7.Ne5 Bf5
5. = (0.07): 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 d6 7.Na4 Be6

🙂

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Thanks.

Had me thinking it saw f2 was weak and was holding back
Nf3 in case it had to play Nh3.

Been PM'd a couple of it's games - it's good.

Pity any shmoe using it on here - it would stand out like
a sore thumb. They would have to dumb it down.

How much does it cost (too lazy to surf for it)?

V

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Note that engines are a lot slower when displaying multiple lines. For just its main line being displayed (i.e. fastest), after 2 mins it goes for:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Bc5 5.c3 0-0 6.d4 Bb6 7.dxe5 Nxe4

Rybka 3 is due "soon" (maybe July). I'd wait to see the price/performance of that version.

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I wonder if these things will cut their own throats.

If they become too strong and unbeatable who is going to buy them?

I suppose one day one will come up with a the ultra perfect game.
The where will we be?

I'm happy with GROMMIT though much prefer a human face to face.

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
*Stupid Computers:

I was reading about a powerful engine that had an ending database
attached. It was winning an endgame very easily,
a King & Knight and 2 pawns. v a King and 1 pawn.
One of the extra pawns can Queen in 7 moves.

Suddenly it recognised it could go into one of it's 'won' positions in
it's ending database.
So it sacced the extra piece by simply giving it away
just to play on auto cue from it's database.
Well it is effective, after all the chess engine did find a winning continuation. Evaluation functions and hueristics must all play into this.

MR

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
I'm happy with GROMMIT though much prefer a human face to face.
I think I remember you mentioning Gromit once before. OK, you got me interested. What version of Gromit are you using?

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I don't know - It's not great but I enjoy playing it.
I think I got it as a freebie download from somewhere.
It keeps my tactical powder dry. That's all

Gosh! It's 5 in the morning - I've been playing blitz chess
for all this time. I have work in 3 hours. I'm off