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  1. Standard member iru
    08 Feb '12 10:37
    Here is my problem - I have rather poor memory. And opening is where you need to memorize the most. I love all the aspects of chess except for opening theory which I find boring and uninspiring.

    Yesterday I made just another attempt to refine my d4 repertoire for an OTB game I have to play tomorrow and after 15 minutes I was fed up and bored to death. I feel like abandoning any further attempts. I was just wondering what will it mean in terms of future progress. I know like 3-5 moves in most of the openings and the rest I play by general principles. In OTB game it does cost me some extra time to find the reasonable moves but till now it never led to big disadvantage in the opening.

    I am 1644 OTB, study tactics, endgames, strategy, master games (which gives some indirect exposure to various openings by the way). Do you think it's reasonable not to learn opening at all and only do what I really enjoy?
  2. 08 Feb '12 11:01 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by iru
    Here is my problem - I have rather poor memory. And opening is where you need to memorize the most. I love all the aspects of chess except for opening theory which I find boring and uninspiring.

    Yesterday I made just another attempt to refine my d4 repertoire for an OTB game I have to play tomorrow and after 15 minutes I was fed up and bored to death. I feel ...[text shortened]... way). Do you think it's reasonable not to learn opening at all and only do what I really enjoy?
    yes! and the secret is, you dont need to learn opening theory, you simply need to
    understand the relevant pawn structures, plans and piece placements associated
    with those structures. You play the Queens pawn? You need to understand the
    structures which ensue,


    where are you going to put your pieces?

    it is clear a knight belongs on e5, a rook on c1, a bishop on d3, you will naturally
    castle kingside, your queens bishop can go to d2, your queens knight to c3, you can
    fight for e4, prepare d4-d5, try to prevent c5 or e5, go for a minority attack, etc etc
    this takes very little memory and practically no theory, but a proper understanding
    of the position based on pawn structure. You can study master games and see
    where they put their pieces, your learning will become joyful as you really
    understand the position. Wish you well - Robbie.
  3. 08 Feb '12 11:43
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    it is clear a knight belongs on e5, a rook on c1, a bishop on d3, you will naturally
    castle kingside, your queens bishop can go to d2, your queens knight to c3
    Interesting post. Why are these positions so clear/natural to you? Rc1 is natural to me as well, but the rest is a big question mark.
  4. 08 Feb '12 11:59 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tvochess
    Interesting post. Why are these positions so clear/natural to you? Rc1 is natural to me as well, but the rest is a big question mark.
    Hi tvo, lets consider it, naturally we castle kinside we have three pawns v two on the
    queenside, our white squared bishop is biting granite anywhere else other than on
    d3, ok, it could go to e2, but its quite passive there, in order to get the kings knight
    to e5 our natural outpost, it must go to f3 first, that leaves the dark squared bishop
    and the queens knight, naturally c3 has more influence on the centre than a knight
    on d2 and it leaves the d2 square for the dark squared bishop, thus all our pieces
    find placement. It just leaves us to think about the queen and connecting our rooks,
    as we know a rook belongs on c file and depending on our plan, we can find another
    post for the kings rook.

    black must try to do something otherwise he will suffer from sheer passivity, thus he
    must try to liberate himself with ...c5 or ...e5, so we must take these into
    consideration and look at master games to see what happened. Its clear that if we
    get e4 in, we will have a greater share of the centre, more mobility for our pieces
    and good chances.
  5. Standard member mikelom
    Ajarn
    08 Feb '12 14:04
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Hi tvo, lets consider it, naturally we castle kinside we have three pawns v two on the
    queenside, our white squared bishop is biting granite anywhere else other than on
    d3, ok, it could go to e2, but its quite passive there, in order to get the kings knight
    to e5 our natural outpost, it must go to f3 first, that leaves the dark squared bishop ...[text shortened]... in, we will have a greater share of the centre, more mobility for our pieces
    and good chances.
    You spend so much time giving opinion, and yet would kill your own child. c.f. Religious thread about being a Jehova's Witness. How do you have so much time to be a chess expert when you are supposed to be converting people to your religion. You're full of crap Robbie - yet again!

    If your life is chess, then let's suppose you are making so many moves that you don't have real time for your wife and children, may we?

    Sod the kids, no blood transfusions, my opinion of a mistake in somebody else's chess game matters more.

    Oh.....How do you live with yourself?

    Aha! I see. You have no responsibility to life, comments, attacks on individuals; because your indoctrination has always taught you that you are right and perfect!

    What a shambles!

    I pity you, and your children, and I certainly pity your evaluation of chess games!

    -m. 😠
  6. 08 Feb '12 14:16
    Hey robby, not yet satisfied with the answer:

    Why?
    - 'naturally' castle kingside
    - Be2 is passive
    - Ne5 'natural' outpost
    - Nc3 'naturally' more influence on the center than Nd2
    - Bd2 (e.g. I feel b3, Ba3 can directly attack black's kingside castled rook)

    Thx for taking your time.
  7. 08 Feb '12 14:23
    Originally posted by mikelom
    You spend so much time giving opinion, and yet would kill your own child. c.f. Religious thread about being a Jehova's Witness. How do you have so much time to be a chess expert when you are supposed to be converting people to your religion. You're full of crap Robbie - yet again!

    If your life is chess, then let's suppose you are making so many moves tha ...[text shortened]... ity you, and your children, and I certainly pity your evaluation of chess games!

    -m. 😠
    If you don't have anything constructive to say, could you please take your malice out of the "Only Chess" forum? While I'd doubtlessly take your side in the argument you're trying to start, it doesn't belong here.
  8. 08 Feb '12 15:11 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by mikelom
    You spend so much time giving opinion, and yet would kill your own child. c.f. Religious thread about being a Jehova's Witness. How do you have so much time to be a chess expert when you are supposed to be converting people to your religion. You're full of crap Robbie - yet again!

    If your life is chess, then let's suppose you are making so many moves tha ity you, and your children, and I certainly pity your evaluation of chess games!

    -m. 😠
    from a fraud and a pumpkin eater, a 1900 rated player who could not win with a rook
    and a pawn v a king and pawn, i wont be taking lessons in morality nor chess, care to
    explain your play here?

    mikeholm with the black pieces


    lessons in chess or morality? dont play positions you don't understand and dont try
    to pass yourself off as a 1900 rated player when clearly you are not and especially
    dont lecture people who are trying to impart understanding to others. why you are
    not banned from this site I do not know.
  9. 08 Feb '12 15:20 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Vartiovuori
    If you don't have anything constructive to say, could you please take your malice out of the "Only Chess" forum? While I'd doubtlessly take your side in the argument you're trying to start, it doesn't belong here.
    I apologise, hes simply a malicious slanderer who cannot admit to the lies he
    promulgates, back to chess, sorry for the rude interruption, its the best he can do.
  10. 08 Feb '12 15:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tvochess
    Hey robby, not yet satisfied with the answer:

    Why?
    - 'naturally' castle kingside
    - Be2 is passive
    - Ne5 'natural' outpost
    - Nc3 'naturally' more influence on the center than Nd2
    - Bd2 (e.g. I feel b3, Ba3 can directly attack black's kingside castled rook)

    Thx for taking your time.
    Hi, its ok, in fact, its my pleasure,

    1. Three pawns is better protection than two, it stands to reason that one should
    castle kingside, plus our pawns are pointing queenside, we might seek activity there
    and our king would be safer castled kingside.

    2. The Bishop on e2 is really a defensive stance, why not put it on e3 where it takes
    aim at the black kingside, i mean, you could put it on e2, i just dont think its as
    actively placed.

    3. why Ne5, well, look at it, it cannot be reasonably challenged with a pawn, for if
    black ever does play ...f6 say kicking our knight, his e pawn becomes backward and
    forms a natural point of attack (anything that cannot move is an easier target than
    one that is mobile) the diagonal a2 g8 also becomes weak, especially if black
    castles kingside.

    4.Yes Nc3 covers the both squares, e4 and d5, Nd2 simply covers the e4 square,
    again you could play Nd2, i just dont think its as active as Nc3, plus what will your
    dark squared bishop say when the knight steal his only available square?

    5. Yes indeed, although it takes time to put your bishop on a3 it could be a very
    good idea, again one would need to look at master games and see where they
    placed it.
  11. 08 Feb '12 15:49
    Originally posted by tvochess
    Hey robby, not yet satisfied with the answer:

    Why?
    - 'naturally' castle kingside
    - Be2 is passive
    - Ne5 'natural' outpost
    - Nc3 'naturally' more influence on the center than Nd2
    - Bd2 (e.g. I feel b3, Ba3 can directly attack black's kingside castled rook)

    Thx for taking your time.
    consider this game demonstrating the fight for e4!

  12. 08 Feb '12 16:36 / 4 edits
    Hi Robbie.
    Your advice looks sound but you should look at his games.
    He plays 1.e4 a lot more often than 1.d4.
    Perhaps he has switched after deciding that the 15 minutes he is giving to
    1.e4 is not working. Certainly not against the Sicililian.

    Under 1800 games very rarely follow theory so cramming one's head full
    of GM games where 90% of the moves won't be understood is a waste of time.

    But it's not the opening that is catching him out. It's tactcis.

    Game 3203036 was a Sicilian. All 6 moves out it ending thus.


    iru was White.

    As White v a Sicilian Game 3218614 This happened to the lad.


    I'm thinking 15 minutes spent on Pawn Forks may be a good idea.
    In the above game Black play h6 and instead of playing Bxf6 (No No No Bishop's
    are better than Knights.) White allowed the pawn fork.

    IRU
    Play over short sharp games where one player violated a principle and see
    how it is dealt with. These are the kind of mistakes you will be facing and playing.

    Most players have a simple grasp of 'The Rules of Thumb'. the basic principles.
    They will cling to these when they don't know what to do.
    Your job is to know they are there, trust them but know when you can bend them.
    They are not set in concrete.

    Playing over short sharp games will also beef up 100% your tactics.
    It's also fun. (Well I think so anyway.)
    Play them out on a full board for the full benefit.
    Tonight you are playing on a full board. Not on a flickering postage stamp.
    Please comeback and post your OTB game. GOOD LUCK.

    Let us look at game by the OP. Game 4118971
    Where Rules of Thumb ruled.



    Iru please come back on and post your OTB game.
  13. Standard member iru
    08 Feb '12 17:53
    greenpawn34, thanks for looking at my games - it's not the first time you do it and I really appreciate it.

    Not trying to justify myself but those are OLD games. I returned to chess at the end of 2006 after being away for like 25 years. So games played during 2007 - well they make me smile, I don't do those silly mistakes, at least not so often:-)
    And yes - I switched to d4 :-)

    I promise to post my tomorrow OTB game. It's a team cup of Geneva lake. We are 2nd in our group with 2 rounds to go and playing against quite strong club. I am on the last 6th board and my opponent will be above 1700.
  14. 08 Feb '12 18:11
    Originally posted by mikelom
    You spend so much time giving opinion, and yet would kill your own child. c.f. Religious thread about being a Jehova's Witness. How do you have so much time to be a chess expert when you are supposed to be converting people to your religion. You're full of crap Robbie - yet again!

    If your life is chess, then let's suppose you are making so many moves tha ...[text shortened]... ity you, and your children, and I certainly pity your evaluation of chess games!

    -m. 😠
    Because I can only give one thumbs up I have quoted the post as a virtual second one.
  15. 08 Feb '12 18:44
    Originally posted by iru
    Here is my problem - I have rather poor memory. And opening is where you need to memorize the most. I love all the aspects of chess except for opening theory which I find boring and uninspiring.

    Yesterday I made just another attempt to refine my d4 repertoire for an OTB game I have to play tomorrow and after 15 minutes I was fed up and bored to death. I feel ...[text shortened]... way). Do you think it's reasonable not to learn opening at all and only do what I really enjoy?
    Do you like to play chess, or do you want to get really good at it?

    If you just like to play chess, then quit opening study if you don't like it. Se any position as a study, even in the first dozen moves, and make the best out of it. As long you feel the joy of playing chess, then play chess.

    But if you want to get really good at it, then you have to focus the areas where you feel that you are weak. If you now feel that you lose your games too early, or your games ar bad because when the opening moves are over you have a inferiour position, then you have to focus there.

    I suggest that you look for a book that you like, where the various problems in the opening are explained. Concentrate of a particular opening (like kings gambit where interesting things happen) and learn how it works. Don't memorize without knowing why the moves are played. And whenever you are bored, then shift focus.

    Play because it is fun. Sooner or later you will be better.

    P.S. Robbie gives you a good advice. See the structures. Listen to him.