Originally posted by bbarrYep, that's the name, the Cochrane Gambit, and suddenly, all our Petroff talk comes to waste and we are playing a whole different game.
Are you referring to the Cochrane Gambit? I'll take that bet! But why would we hope for the Petrov anyway, unless we are aiming for a draw? Let's try and beat him, or go down fighting!
1...c5
Normally I would agree with the attitude of fighting the beast head on, with c5, but it seems to me everyone of Ironman's big time wins are against the Sicilian or French. (Based on the games others have posted that they claimed to have liked as impressive) I'm sure he is a specialist against these two openings, he's a specialist against any opening, but these two in particular seem rather welcoming to Ironman's playing style.
Personally, I think we could shock him the next morning by posting the move c6, because I'm sure he checks the forums from now and then, and based on the chess mentality here on the forums, move 1 c6 would probably surprise him immediately.
I'm by no means a Caro-Kann expert either, although I do/can play it from time to time.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe advance variation would be probably our worse case scenario, but that's not as bad as the Cochrane Gambit. In fact, personally I think the advanced variation Caro-Kann tactical ability is simply overated. I agree, compared to most Caro variations, it is wayyyyy more tactical, but it is still less tactical then a Sicilian by far, less tactical then a French, a Cochrane or some Ruys. I've played all these openings, and I can tell you, the advanced variation Caro is still less tactical then what I listed.
The Advance Variation of the CK is also a tactical test for Black. Quoted from MCO-13:
The Advance Variation...is a direct attacking scheme which leads to tactical fights. Theoretically Black is fine, but he must proceed carefully.
The clue to dealing with the advanced, IMHO, is to treat it like any other Caro and don't do anything rash. Yes, you are kinda cramped, but simply don't freak out over it. Your chances are really just the same as any other Caro variation, black doesn't need a huge spacial advantage to play the Caro well anyways, it's very compact and has little weakness.
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Originally posted by Ragnorakget the game up and running asap ... with a long timeout and timebank .... then we know what we are talking about ... we can have a link to a board and get into it.
Ironman has agreed to an unrated Ironman v Rest of RHP game, similar to the RHP V Fritz game.
I'm just not sure whether I should start it now, cos it might be flooding the chess forum playing two of these types of games.
Any thoughts.
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Originally posted by mateuloseADVANCE CARO KANN !?!?!?!?!?!?!
The advance variation would be probably our worse case scenario, but that's not as bad as the Cochrane Gambit. In fact, personally I think the advanced variation Caro-Kann tactical ability is simply overated. I agree, compared to most Ca ...[text shortened]... the Caro well anyways, it's very compact and has little weakness.
have a look at his games.
i have played black against him three times ... three carokanns ... he never advanced.
White Ironman31
1 e4 c6
2 d4 d5
3 Nc3 ....
he may advance just to trick us of course ... but i doubt it ... he knows these moves very well.
Originally posted by mateuloseI believe that this is the worst strategy possible;
Personally, I don't think it's safe to play a Sicilian or a French based on the games I have seen Ironman play. A Ruy Lopez also isn't a very good idea either. I know I probably won't be able to get any votes on this, or convince you guys otherwise, but the Caro-Kann, c6, would probably be our best chance. Although most players in the RHP forums are he ...[text shortened]... will shut up and let the majority play according to their style, but it simply won't work/win.
Thinking of Ironman's weakness instead of our strength is the worst thing that we could do. I think that we should all vote for the opening we play and like. If you play the Caro Kann oftenly, go right ahead and vote for it. If we're gonna play the Caro only to hurt Ironman we will end up hurting ourselves instead.
Originally posted by shortgoth1You're right, but that might be a good plan. :-)
The Caro-Kann looks fine if you want to bore Ironman into submission.
I only play the Caro against e4, and all variations of it can keep black safe with accurate play. The upside is that most people eventually make a mistake against it. But against a player like Ironman he's not going to make a mistake. There's no time pressure, he's not gonna over-extend or do anything rash.
If we play the Caro I expect IMan will play the main line. The good news is there are thousands of games out there we can reference. And if we play well, Iman will have to settle for a draw. I can't see us winning with the Caro unless Iman blunders. And that's highly unlikely.
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i noticed the Fritz8Computer posted in the voting thread ... do you use your engine for this?
should we allow an engine in this situation?
i suggest no engines for this game .... if ironman wins it , then we should have a rematch where we use engines.
or better ... have a rematch where we have an improved committee technique.
Originally posted by flexmoreI agree completely. NO COMPUTERS!
i suggest no engines for this game .... if ironman wins it , then we should have a rematch where we use engines.
I just got this from IronMan31...
'In the other game, if the "Rest of RHP" will play 2...d5 I will play 3.Nc3 and after 3...dxe4 4.Nxe4
So you can propose this variation'
This is the game so far...
1. e4 c6 2. d4
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