Originally posted by tomtom232I just told you that the line I propose is 14.a4 with your reply 14. ...Rc8 and then 15.Rfb1! The ...Rf8 is a typing mistake of mine, so forget it.
Well I will play 14.Rfd1 Rf8 15.Qh5+ against you right here in this thread. I will also play against 14.a4 after we finish the first one.
Why you want not to play this line on a rated game? If you will draw with the Black, as you claim, you will earn easily some RHP points. Plus, anytway it could be far easier on a chessboard, no typing mistakes and all this conversation.
Originally posted by black beetleYes, 14...Rf8 is a typo for the 14.a4 line but not the 14.Rfd1 line. Something is wrong with my internet and I can't access my games to play them so it is easier for me to play here.
I just told you that the line I propose is 14.a4 with your reply 14. ...Rc8 and then 15.Rfb1! The ...Rf8 is a typing mistake of mine, so forget it.
Why you want not to play this line on a rated game? If you will draw with the Black, as you claim, you will earn easily some RHP points. Plus, anytway it could be far easier on a chessboard, no typing mistakes and all this conversation.
Originally posted by tomtom232So you want us to play the line 13. ...Be6 14.Rfd1, you with the White whilst I take the Black and continue with 14. ...Rf8 that I proposed earlier. Do I understand you allright tomtom?
Yes, 14...Rf8 is a typo for the 14.a4 line but not the 14.Rfd1 line. Something is wrong with my internet and I can't access my games to play them so it is easier for me to play here.
Originally posted by black beetleAfter 16. ...Bxd5 17.cxd5 Qf6 White can play 18. Qxc7 and after 18...Qxf2+ 19. Kh1 Qxc5 20 .Qxb7 black don`t have compensation for pawn.
No, tomtom. After 15.Qh5+ comes 15 ...g6 and the white Queen is stranded or forced to take the h7 pawn. If the latter, 16. ...Bxd5 17.cxd5 Qf6 18.Rd2 0-0-0 19.cxd6 cxd6 etc and the Black is off the hook; if the White tries 16.Qa3 then after 16. ...Qd7 the game is very sharp and the initiative of the White is diminished;
Originally posted by KorchOf course he has not compensation in material Korch dude, but the position that arises is drawish and the White does nuffin, as robbie said, and this result is not the desired by the White.
After 16. ...Bxd5 17.cxd5 Qf6 White can play 18. Qxc7 and after 18...Qxf2+ 19. Kh1 Qxc5 20 .Qxb7 black don`t have compensation for pawn.
The whole argument has to do with forced variations which drive the Black down the drain anyway, as Mr Emms proposed. So I consider a draw as an extremely favorable result for the Black;
Originally posted by black beetle1.a4 is no better, its a wasted move! It does not fall in with any sensible plan! You say to deter queenside castling but black isn't going to castle queenside anyway if castles at all!
Of course he has not compensation in material Korch dude, but the position that arises is drawish and the White does nuffin, as robbie said, and this result is not the desired by the White.
The whole argument has to do with forced variations which drive the Black down the drain anyway, as Mr Emms proposed. So I consider a draw as an extremely favorable result for the Black;
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Originally posted by black beetleDrawish? Such kind of positions I would not call drawish. I would say that White has large and probably decisive advantage and even if it`s draw (which I doubt) then Black will have to work hard for it. So I doubt if it`s position which Black player would like to get from opening.
Of course he has not compensation in material Korch dude, but the position that arises is drawish and the White does nuffin, as robbie said, and this result is not the desired by the White.
The whole argument has to do with forced variations which drive the Black down the drain anyway, as Mr Emms proposed. So I consider a draw as an extremely favorable result for the Black;
Originally posted by KorchI am ready to play the line against you with the Black anytime, Korch. If the Black fails, it will take a very hard struggle, and I think that this was not Mr Emms' point; and anyway for the Black this position is better than an immediate onslaught. Mind you, from the very first moment I said the the Black is doomed, and this is the reason why I estimate that with this line he gets of the hook;
Drawish? Such kind of positions I would not call drawish. I would say that White has large and probably decisive advantage and even if it`s draw (which I doubt) then Black will have to work hard for it. So I doubt if it`s position which Black player would like to get from opening.
Originally posted by MindWars1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 f5 3.d3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.0-0 Bc5 6.Nc3 d6 7.Bg5 Na5 8.Bxf6 Qxf6 9.Nd5 Qd8 10.b4! Nxc4 11.bxc5 fxe4 12.dxc4 exf3 13.Qxf3 Be6 and now we are arguing the 14th move. I claim that Rfd1 is best while black beatle claims that a4 is.
Can someone post the actual game score?
ps I got the game score correct this time, lol.
Originally posted by black beetlePlease forget my abv mention post!
I am ready to play the line against you with the Black anytime, Korch. If the Black fails, it will take a very hard struggle, and I think that this was not Mr Emms' point; and anyway for the Black this position is better than an immediate onslaught. Mind you, from the very first moment I said the the Black is doomed, and this is the reason why I estimate that with this line he gets of the hook;
Korch your analysis is accurate, congrats -congrats to you too tomtom. Black has no compensation and his position is untenable -after a strong struggle indeed, but he is anyway lost.
Originally posted by tomtom232Thank you!
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 f5 3.d3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.0-0 Bc5 6.Nc3 d6 7.Bg5 Na5 8.Bxf6 Qxf6 9.Nd5 Qd8 10.b4! Nxc4 11.bxc5 fxe4 12.dxc4 exf3 13.Qxf3 Be6 and now we are arguing the 14th move. I claim that Rfd1 is best while black beatle claims that a4 is.
ps I got the game score correct this time, lol.
Originally posted by MindWarsI have 3 main problems with 14.a4.
14.a4 seems like little more than a waiting move. This certainly isn't the kind of position thatt lends itself to waiting moves.
1.it is like you said, a waiting move.
2.it commits the a pawn to a move and takes away its special ability to move two squares which is always useful in an endgame. Besides, white doesn't need to commit when he has so many options here.
3.it seems that the queen is itching to go to a3 and 14.a4 is illogical if that is the plan seeing as it would limit the scope of the queen if it were on a3.