Originally posted by black beetle"I didn't ask your opinion"
I didn't ask your opinion and I don't give a fig for your evaluation.
If you estimate that the Black is ok after 13. ...Be6 14.a4, challenge me with the Black at a rated game; then we will reach this position and you play with the Black.
Nor did I claim that you did. What words/terms are you having trouble comprehending here?
"and I don't give a fig for your evaluation."
Of course you don't, nor do you give a fig for doing any actual THINKING in that empty carcass of a skull you have. You're not a chess player. You're just a wannabe with lots of free time.
"challenge me with the Black at a rated game"
Me challenge YOU to a chess game? Now you're having delusions of grandeur, buddy. My weakest beginner students would crush you. I could probably spot you a rook and win in an OTB game.
Originally posted by MindWarsI said: If you estimate that the Black is ok after 13. ...Be6 14.a4, challenge me with the Black at a rated game; then we will reach this position and you play with the Black.
"I didn't ask your opinion"
Nor did I claim that you did. What words/terms are you having trouble comprehending here?
"and I don't give a fig for your evaluation."
Of course you don't, nor do you give a fig for doing any actual THINKING in that empty carcass of a skull you have. You're not a chess player. You're just a wannabe with lots of free t ...[text shortened]... r students would crush you. I could probably spot you a rook and win in an OTB game.
Here's a sample line from Rybka: 13... Bc8-e6 14. Ra1-d1 Ra8-c8 15.Rf1-e1 b7-b6 16.Nd5xc7+ Qd8xc7 17.c5xc6 Qc7-f7 18.d6-d7+ Be6xd7 19.Qf3xf7+ Ke8xf7+ 20.Rd1xd7+ Kf7-f6 ...With a white rook on the seventh rank and a still exposed black king its no wonder Rybka thinks white has got about a pawn advantage during the whole line... hopefully this line also shows why Ra8-c8 for black is good, with sacks like Nd5xc7+ looming.
After 14.a2-a4, a lot of the white advantage is gone. Rybka gives 14... c7-c6 15.Nd5-e3 Qd8-f6 16.Qf3xf6 g7xg6 17.c5xd6 Ke8-d7 18.Ra1-d1 Rh8-g8 ...Rybka gives white about a half-pawn advantage here. Now the black king is much safer and at least black has some play on the g-file and maybe later against white's weak pawns.
Originally posted by ResigningSoonWhat does rybka say about 14.Rfd1?
Here's a sample line from Rybka: 13... Bc8-e6 14. Ra1-d1 Ra8-c8 15.Rf1-e1 b7-b6 16.Nd5xc7+ Qd8xc7 17.c5xc6 Qc7-f7 18.d6-d7+ Be6xd7 19.Qf3xf7+ Ke8xf7+ 20.Rd1xd7+ Kf7-f6 ...With a white rook on the seventh rank and a still exposed black king its no wonder Rybka thinks white has got about a pawn advantage during the whole line... hopefully this line also ...[text shortened]... fer and at least black has some play on the g-file and maybe later against white's weak pawns.
After 13...Be6 Rybka evaluates almost any rook move to a half-open file as equal(certainly a reason why white has an easier time playing this position), but here are the individual evaluations with sample lines:
14. Ra1-d1 +.80 (depth 13) line given above
14. Rf1-d1 +.64 (depth 13)...Ra8-c8 Rybka likes two plans(is 'moves' more appropriate?) here: Rd1-d2 +.44 and Nd5-c3 +.46 (depth 13).
Edit: after 15.Nd5-c3 Qd8-f6 16. Qf3xb7 0-0 17.Nc3-e4 Rybka thinks white has a half-pawn advantage. And certainly in this line black as least achieved some king-side pressure.
Amazingly, at depth=14 Rybka gives
14. Ra1-b1 +.85! and after 14... Ra8-b8, then 15. Rf1-d1 (may be interesting to note that c5xd6 is almost equal at +.79) 15... Be6-f7.
Of course as soon as I made the move 15...Be6-f7 Rybka exploded with 16. c5xd6 (+.93! at depth=16!) c7xd6 17.Qf3-a3(glad we didn't choose a4, we now have substantial pressure on this queen pawn) Bf7xd5 18.Rd1xd5 ... at this point black can finally castle, but white wins the Queen pawn and has awesome pieces! Rybka still gives white a +.93 after 18...0-0
Originally posted by ResigningSoonthat was my plan. To put the Rf1 on d1 and the Ra1 on b1 and the queen on a3.
After 13...Be6 Rybka evaluates almost any rook move to a half-open file as equal(certainly a reason why white has an easier time playing this position), but here are the individual evaluations with sample lines:
14. Ra1-d1 +.80 (depth 13) line given above
14. Rf1-d1 +.64 (depth 13)...Ra8-c8 Rybka likes two plans(is 'moves' more appropriate?) here: ite wins the Queen pawn and has awesome pieces! Rybka still gives white a +.93 after 18...0-0
Edit: and the queen wanting to go to a3 was one of my main qualms with 14.a4
I'm guessing the reason Rybka prefers the move order with Ra1-b1 first is simply to force black's rook to the b-file first. 14.Rf1-d1 Ra8-c8 15.Ra1-b1 b7-b6 and black has nearly equalized (+.24 depth=12)
Edit: of couse not 14.Ra1-b1 b7-b6 which allows 15.Nd5xc7+(+4.29)
Still, we are not computers and you had the right plan it seems.
Edit2: Oops, embarrassing typo.
Originally posted by ResigningSoonI may have spotted this but I just didn't agree with a4. Thanks for the info!
I'm guessing the reason Rybka prefers the move order with Ra1-b1 first is simply to force black's rook to the b-file first. 14.Ra1-b1 Ra8-c8 15.Ra1-b1 b7-b6 and black has nearly equalized (+.24 depth=12)
Edit: of couse not 14.Ra1-b1 b7-b6 which allows 15.Nd5xc7+(+4.29)
Still, we are not computers and you had the right plan it seems.
Edit: my move against a4 was Rc8 so I don't know why I didn't look at it for Rfd1 because Rc8 deters cxd6 while at the same tim frees the queen from defense of the pawn. A queen is not a befitting piece to defend pawns and if she is stuck defending a pawn then you are in trouble.
Originally posted by ResigningSoonVery Thanx 4 the info 2, RS dude!
I'm guessing the reason Rybka prefers the move order with Ra1-b1 first is simply to force black's rook to the b-file first. 14.Rf1-d1 Ra8-c8 15.Ra1-b1 b7-b6 and black has nearly equalized (+.24 depth=12)
Edit: of couse not 14.Ra1-b1 b7-b6 which allows 15.Nd5xc7+(+4.29)
Still, we are not computers and you had the right plan it seems.
Edit2: Oops, embarrassing typo.
Bravissimo for your stronger plan tomtom!!
Originally posted by tomtom232Economy is economy, and it is you that gets the point🙂 finally with a4 you need by far bigger effort in order to gain an one pawn advantage after ...c6 (I checked it out and at least the position is still a won one for the White). My main mistake over here was the fact that I had dismissed this reply right after the actual 13th move of the White, and therefore I did not reconsidered it after 14.a4. Yikes, my blackbeetlity suffered a huge blow🙂
Thank you. It is a good thing to stick to your own plan when nobody has persauded you so in that you also did a good job. 🙂
Originally posted by black beetleHehe and Rc8 was my defense against your a4 too. 😀
Economy is economy, and it is you that gets the point🙂 finally with a4 you need by far bigger effort in order to gain an one pawn advantage after ...c6 (I checked it out and at least the position is still a won one for the White). My main mistake over here was the fact that I had dismissed this reply right after the actual 13th move of the White, and therefore I did not reconsidered it after 14.a4. Yikes, my blackbeetlity suffered a huge blow🙂