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Just got a nice lesson from Jean Hebert.

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Originally posted by HomerJSimpson
Nice analysis. What a class act you are.
It is because like ppl as you the best players on this site keep apart.
No recs for u, may be u can begin to teach us how to play chess.

... when you learn how!

-J

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Why?
Someone who uses an engine could be said to be engineering.
Doesn't mean all career Engineers are chess engine users.
What do you call Engineers when they are on the work site working?

Are they not Engineering?

Engine usage is a better phrase.

If i'm using an engine to drive a turbine, i'm engineering?
If i'm operating a car, i'm engineering?
It is "engine" usage after all.

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Jean hebert is the best on the site he talks, iv never seen akizy, or weyerstrauss chat in the forums......They aint helpful like hebert...Hes a class player what an asset to the site

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Originally posted by RahimK
What do you call Engineers when they are on the work site working?

Are they not Engineering?

Engine usage is a better phrase.

If i'm using an engine to drive a turbine, i'm engineering?
If i'm operating a car, i'm engineering?
It is "engine" usage after all.
If i'm using an engine to drive a turbine, i'm engineering?
Nope, you're "driving".

If i'm operating a car, i'm engineering?
Nope, you're "operating".

It is "engine" usage after all.
You cannot really say an engine user is simply engine usaging or engine using, not without it sounding odd.
ie, TRACKHEAD was kicked out for engine usaging????
Just saying he was using or usaging sounds worse.
And "engineering" [to engineer] is a verb that is not used solely for Engineers.[site engineers or train drivers]


ps, sorry for the hijack, sonhouse, very interesting topic.

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
[b]If i'm using an engine to drive a turbine, i'm engineering?
Nope, you're "driving".

If i'm operating a car, i'm engineering?
Nope, you're "operating".

It is "engine" usage after all.
You cannot really say an engine user is simply engine usaging or engine using, not without it sounding odd.
ie, TRACKHEAD was kicked out fo ...[text shortened]... rain drivers]


ps, sorry for the hijack, sonhouse, very interesting topic.[/b]
Trackhead was kicked out for "engine usage!" or even using an engine if you prefer.

That makes complete sense does it not?

as oppose to, Trackhead was kicked out for "engineering."

An engineer practising is said to be engineering. Just as we call people practising medicine doctors.


See what I mean.

Now let us forget about this and never speak of it again.

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Originally posted by RahimK
...Now let us forget about this and never speak of it again.
OK.
As long as I can have the last word eh? 😕
I disagree with your use of the language.

The end. 🙂

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
OK.
As long as I can have the last word eh? 😕
I disagree with your use of the language.

The end. 🙂
What's wrong with saying Engine usage? Fine he was using outside help. Using a chess program. Cheating.

Now your just testing me aren't you?

We Canadians have exclusive rights to the word eh?

since you are not canadian, I take offense to you using that word.
You don't want me to send my beaver after you, do you 🙂
He'll be pretty ticked off since he'll have to leave the igloo. You don't want to mess with a ticked off beaver. Trust me 🙂

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Originally posted by RahimK
What's wrong with saying Engine usage? Fine he was using outside help. Using a chess program. Cheating.

Now your just testing me aren't you?

We Canadians have exclusive rights to the word eh?

since you are not canadian, I take offense to you using that word.
You don't want me to send my beaver after you, do you 🙂
He'll be pretty ticked off since ...[text shortened]... e'll have to leave the igloo. You don't want to mess with a ticked off beaver. Trust me 🙂
😀

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
😀
Seeing as I started this (I hadn't realised it would cause so much trouble), I'll add my thoughts:

Yes, engineering applies to engineers, but it is also applicable in the way I used it.

Pogo users= pogoing
Truck users= trucking
bike users= biking
engine users= engineering (technically it should be engining, but english has a lot of irregular endings)

so 'engineering' or 'engine usage' are both acceptable terms.

Now lets leave it at that...

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Frankly, if I were Jean Hebert and read the last few posts, I'd be tempted to leave...

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Originally posted by dottewell
Don't know how common it is, but I don't think it's common enough.

I did suggest a couple of ways of encouraging such help in "site ideas", thread name "comments".

Obviously it is up to every individual to decide if and when they want to give their time to help others/explain positions, etc. But it would be a great shame if we had truly excellent players willing to help those at a lower level and this resource was under-used.
Mephisto2 was always a great man to help out us lesser players, with instructional games from set piece positions.

I approached him after this game Game 904401, because I had lost faith in the fianchettoed position, because what I did to sonofsaul had happened to me a few times before, so I proposed a setpiece from the position as at move 12.

And this is how he showed me that the fianchetto was still good: Counterplay on the queen side. Game 925057, with explanations and his thoughts on his possibilities for each move.

I don't mind saying it now as he seems to have left and won't get flooded with hundreds of pms looking for instruction.

D

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Originally posted by welsharnie
Seeing as I started this (I hadn't realised it would cause so much trouble), I'll add my thoughts:

Yes, engineering applies to engineers, but it is also applicable in the way I used it.

Pogo users= pogoing
Truck users= trucking
bike users= biking
engine users= engineering (technically it should be engining, but english has a lot of irregular endi ...[text shortened]... 'engineering' or 'engine usage' are both acceptable terms.

Now lets leave it at that...
All i'm saying is that someone new at this site would read,

_____ got kicked off because of engineering.

and he wouldn't exactly know whats going on. Its very vague.

____ got kicked off for engine usage.

He would read that and get the idea that the person cheated.

k forget this now.

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Originally posted by Jean Hebert
Thank you "sonhouse" for your time. I appreciated the help also. It made me feel good to help.
Jean
Good for you Jean. What's good is that sonhouse posted the game online - I'm pretty certain I've fallen for the same trap before, but just don't remember the result. From time to time, I've taken on players who asked nicely for a learning game and explained my moves all through the game while also prompting my opponent. My analytical reasoning, though, is not in the same league as yours. Wouldn't it be nice if each one of the top 20 or so players took on a public game once a month against a sub-2000, while posting ongoing analysis for all to read? I'm sure we could all gain a lot from that experience.

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Maybe Russ should to consider do that in exchange for 50% from the top 20 players fee.
They would have to play 1-2 "learning game" each month.
Would be a nice thing to do.
Jean

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Originally posted by Jean Hebert
Maybe Russ should to consider do that in exchange for 50% from the top 20 players fee.
They would have to play 1-2 "learning game" each month.
Would be a nice thing to do.
Jean
And would definatly help a lot of the lower rated players.