Originally posted by Fat LadyI was going to play Bb7 last night but chickened out. I don't want to be the person who makes the move that people think 'what was that?'.
I think an intermezzo is necessary, otherwise we could fall for a nasty little Qxa8 Nc7+ trick.
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[Event "Dec 7 2013 game"]
[Date "2013.12.07"]
[White "Luke Myster and co"]
[Black "Fat Lady and co"]
[ECO "B96"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[SourceDate "2013.12.07"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. f4 Qc7
8. Qf3 e6 9. O-O-O b5 10. Bxb5 axb5 11. Ndxb5 Qb8 12. Kb1 Be7
13. Bxf6 Nxf6 14. e5 Bb7
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The plan when I played ...Qb8, in my mind, was to create as much contact between the pieces in such a way to force exchanges. I was envisioning moves like ...Ba6 but things have turned out just as well in any case.
I love playing against dodgy sacrifices because I feel the real pressure is actually on the attacker to prove his idea was sound.
Originally posted by luke myster...dxe5
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[Event "Dec 7 2013 game"]
[Date "2013.12.07"]
[White "Luke Myster and co"]
[Black "Fat Lady and co"]
[ECO "B96"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[SourceDate "2013.12.07"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. f4 Qc7
8. Qf3 e6 9. O-O-O b5 10. Bxb5 axb5 11. Ndxb5 Qb8 12. Kb1 Be7
13. Bxf6 Nxf6 14. e5 Bb7 15.Qg3
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Originally posted by luke mysterOriginally posted by luke myster
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[Event "Dec 7 2013 game"]
[Date "2013.12.07"]
[White "Luke Myster and co"]
[Black "Fat Lady and co"]
[ECO "B96"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[SourceDate "2013.12.07"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. f4 Qc7
8. Qf3 e6 9. O-O-O b5 10. Bxb5 axb5 11. Ndxb5 Qb8 12. Kb1 Be7
13. Bxf6 Nxf6 14. e5 Bb7 15.Qg3
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"I love playing against dodgy sacrifices because I feel the real pressure
is actually on the attacker to prove his idea was sound."
I would not say the Bishop sac was 'dodgy' it was practical.
It is a theorectical sac. It has been played before, I have an OTB win
with it and a couple of others in very similar set-ups.
Tal played it.!
No pressure on the attacker, usually the follow up moves are easy to find,
just keep the pot boiling.
And I (and others...Tal) have proved time and time and time again the pressure
on the defender is too much to handle.
(see that other lad's note who was too scared to make to make a
Black move in case it was wrong and this is just a skittles game.)
17.Qg4. (oh bugger I've left the e-pawn hanging...sorry lads.)
(OTB it would most likely have been 17.Qf2 inducing OTB fears/ghosts.)
Originally posted by greenpawn34If Tal played it then it almost certainly is dodgy! Considering he would beat me at least 80% of the time from the original sacrifice position.
"I love playing against dodgy sacrifices because I feel the real pressure
is actually on the attacker to prove his idea was sound."
I would not say the Bishop sac was 'dodgy' it was practical.
It is a theorectical sac. It has been played before, I have an OTB win
with it and a couple of others in very similar set-ups.
Tal played it.!
No press ...[text shortened]... 5 axb5 11. Ndxb5 Qb8 12. Kb1 Be7
13. Bxf6 Nxf6 14. e5 Bb7 15.Qg3 dxe5 16. fxe5 Nh5 17.Qg4[/pgn]
I think it is dodgy, I say that because in most endgames black will have an advantage even if white were to pick up a third pawn for the piece.
This is what I meant, it is not bad or simply losing for white but if the attack runs out of protein then the extra meat on the black side will cause trouble.
Originally posted by KnightStalker47So much for not discussing the future of the game. Now it will just turn into high-rated players dueling with analyses. 😕
Mikhail Tal vs. Michael Stean 1973
[pgn] 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Nbd7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. 0-0-0 b5 10. Bxb5 axb5 11. Ndxb5 Qb8 12. e5 Bb7 13. Qe2 dxe5 14. Qc4 Bc5 15. Bxf6 gxf6 16. Rxd7 Be3+ 17. Kb1 Kxd7 18. Rd1+ Bd4 19. fxe5 fxe5 20. Nxd4 exd4 21. Qxd4+ Ke7 22. Qc5+ Kf6 23. Rf1+ Kg6 24. Qe7 f5 25. Qxe6+ Kg7 26. ...[text shortened]... g3 31. Qg5+ Kh2 32. Qh4+ Kxg2 33. Rf2+ Kg1 34. Ne2# [/pgn]
I'm just going to put this here.