Originally posted by Varenka I think it's to do with ruling out all forms of note taking. The score sheet is meant to be a record of the game and it should record the moves actually made, and not moves that may or may not be played.
Personally, I'm not too hung up on this rule. I'm just trying to give FIDE's possible reasons.
In the US the rule was modified after the Monroi recording devices became available. The reason was because a player enters moves on touch-screen board diagram, and when they enter the move, they see the new position.
That was considered to be an advantage, since they could see the new position in the diagram, and change the move since it hadn't yet been played on the board.
The result was the "move first, record second" rule. I don't know anything about the FIDE rule's evolution, but it may be related.
Originally posted by Paul Leggett In the US the rule was modified after the Monroi recording devices became available. The reason was because a player enters moves on touch-screen board diagram, and when they enter the move, they see the new position.
That was considered to be an advantage, since they could see the new position in the diagram, and change the move since it hadn't yet ...[text shortened]... econd" rule. I don't know anything about the FIDE rule's evolution, but it may be related.
True as far as the Monroi devices are concerned. However, there is a USCF Rule 15A (Variation I) on the books, which apparently authorizes TDs to allow use of the old-style "record first, move second" for people using a paper scoresheet.
"15A. (Variation I) Paper scoresheet variation.
The player using a paper scoresheet may first make the move, and then write it on the scoresheet, or vice versa. This variation does not need to be advertised in advance"
Originally posted by Paul Leggett In the US the rule was modified after the Monroi recording devices became available. The reason was because a player enters moves on touch-screen board diagram, and when they enter the move, they see the new position.
That was considered to be an advantage, since they could see the new position in the diagram, and change the move since it hadn't yet ...[text shortened]... econd" rule. I don't know anything about the FIDE rule's evolution, but it may be related.
Yeah, it was funny how the USCF tried to change rules for the waaaay overpriced MonRoi device. TD's were simply refusing to enforce the 'move first, then record' rule, so the USCF had to change the rule back to what it was before.
Originally posted by Mad Rook True as far as the Monroi devices are concerned. However, there is a USCF Rule 15A (Variation I) on the books, which apparently authorizes TDs to allow use of the old-style "record first, move second" for people using a paper scoresheet.
"15A. (Variation I) Paper scoresheet variation.
The player using a paper scoresheet may first make the move, and ...[text shortened]... on the scoresheet, or vice versa. This variation does not need to be advertised in advance"
To me, it's illogical to put a move on a SCORESHEET until after you have actually made it. A scoresheet is supposed to be a record of moves made in the game and you don't make the move until you physically move the piece.
Originally posted by no1marauder To me, it's illogical to put a move on a SCORESHEET until after you have actually made it. A scoresheet is supposed to be a record of moves made in the game and you don't make the move until you physically move the piece.
Yeah, I agree with your logic. I move first, then record the move. But if my opponent is using a paper scoresheet and wants to do the opposite, that's fine with me. He's actually wasting a bit of clock time by recording his moves on his own time.
BTW, I've been told that lots of scholastic players here in the USA are still being taught to record first, then move.
Originally posted by Mad Rook Yeah, I agree with your logic. I move first, then record the move. But if my opponent is using a paper scoresheet and wants to do the opposite, that's fine with me. He's actually wasting a bit of clock time by recording his moves on his own time.
BTW, I've been told that lots of scholastic players here in the USA are still being taught to record first, then move.
Originally posted by Mad Rook Yeah, I agree with your logic. I move first, then record the move. But if my opponent is using a paper scoresheet and wants to do the opposite, that's fine with me. He's actually wasting a bit of clock time by recording his moves on his own time.
BTW, I've been told that lots of scholastic players here in the USA are still being taught to record first, then move.
When I was coaching young children the problem I found was that they used to move too quickly. if their opponent started moving quickly they would do likewise even if they had plenty of time and their opponent was in time trouble.
To combat this I taught them to.
1. Think of a move
2. Write it down.
3. PUT THE PENCIL DOWN and CHECK THE MOVE
4. Count to 10.
5. If it was ok then play the move.
This would often cure them to the tendency to rush. The deliberate act of putting the pencil down (which I emphasised) served to reign in their pawn pushing exuberance.
Unfortunately this was banned a few years ago. I also think that hiding your scoresheet is now banned? (Not positive about this one)
Originally posted by robbie carrobie Dude is that really you? how ya been?
Hey Robbie. Nobody in his right mind would want my identity, so yeah, it's me. 🙂 I'm doing OK, still alive and kickin', the good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. Dang these chess cheating threads, I can't always ignore them!
I hope you're doing OK? Have you joined one of those clubs yet? 🙂
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