Originally posted by paultopiaMy eyes burn! That is a game in progress!!!
How many pawns to promote? And to what? Game 710568
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Originally posted by derek9037No way! It's an invaluable experience in the life of any young chessplayer when he/she realises that he/she does not have to play a game right up to the bitter end. "Hmm ... I wonder what the Resign button does ..."
How about working out the least possible moves to mate, end his agony :'(
Originally posted by derek9037eh, the end to his agony is entirely in his control. There's this little checkbox...
How about working out the least possible moves to mate, end his agony :'(
I suppose I could force mate in something like 10 moves if he struggles hardest, starting with 47. ... Kc3 48. Rh4 Kb2 49. Rh3 or some such. But really, that's a huge hassle, altogether too much pointless hiding behind pawns going on. I'd have to clear my king, get rid of all the pawns, etc. etc. etc. Sort of the chess equivalent of slicing onions with a butter-knife: it's impossible to screw up, but it brings you to tears.
Why should I have to do unnecessary mental labor? If I queen all my pawns, he won't be able to make me dance around with rooks and kings and pawns, nervously checking for stalemate traps on each move, etc. etc.
ok, I got it.
1. Capture that last pawn.
2. imprison his king on the first rank rank with rooks and king, say his king anywhere between a1 and e1, my rooks on f3, g2, and my king on g1 (just so he can't harass the rooks).
3. Push each pawn to the 7th rank.
4. Burn 49 moves moving my f rook back and forth from f2 to f8, one square at the time (thus preserving the mate-in-one).
5. Promote a pawn to a knight.
6. Burn 49 move moves.
7. Promote a second pawn to a knight.
8. 49 more moves.
9. Promote the final pawn.
10. Sacrifice both rooks.
11. Mate with the three knights and king.
Sound like a plan? Maybe THAT would make the point.
Originally posted by paultopiaJust one question - how do you ensure the same position (with same side to move) is not repeated thrice in any of these series of 49s? 😀
ok, I got it.
1. Capture that last pawn.
2. imprison his king on the first rank rank with rooks and king, say his king anywhere between a1 and e1, my rooks on f3, g2, and my king on g1 (just so he can't harass the rooks).
3. Push each pawn to the 7th rank.
4. Burn 49 moves moving my f rook back and forth from f2 to f8, one square at the time ...[text shortened]... . Mate with the three knights and king.
Sound like a plan? Maybe THAT would make the point.
Originally posted by lucifershammergood point! I'd probably have to stagger the pawn-pushing some. 🙂
Just one question - how do you ensure the same position (with same side to move) is not repeated thrice in any of these series of 49s? 😀
Actually, I really shouldn't complain so much about this one game. At least this opponent has not been offering draws. I can think of several players who would offer draws, repeatedly, from this position.
you'll observe, now, I'm acting with considerable mercy and forcing mate quickly. I simply don't have the patience for the planned repeated 49s torture, and he made it easy for me by moving his king and pawn to a location where I can actually prevent him from hiding.
Actually, correction. I found a line where he can try two different stalemate trap even with his current piece placement, by hiding his king on the a file. They're easy to avoid, but if I forget them (and don't read the notepad) and slip into one, let me note the following:
1. I see them. I just made my 49th move now. Stalemate trap #1 is: 49. ... Kb2 50. Re2+ Ka3 51. Rh5?? (Etc. -- any other move trying for a corridor mate on a file next move) stalemate. Stalemate trap #2 is: 49. ... Rb2 50 a4 Ka3 51. Re2?? stalemate.
2. If I fall into them anyway, I will flatly not play this person ever again, and if I get into any clan/tournament matches with them, I'll resign on move one. This kind of nonsense is unsporting and unfair. When one has been totally outplayed and loses by obvious force, insulting one's opponent by sitting around waiting for a boredom-driven blunder is not acceptable.
Second edit: ok, mate in one. Thank goodness. He didn't even see stalemate trap #2. He took the bait pawn, cutting off his king's escape. (I guess I answered a stalemate trap with a think-you-have-winning-chances-and-blunder-your-last-drawing-shot trap)
I think the real point of this tirade by now is to demonstrate the totally unpleasant paranoia that this kind of non-resigning behavior creates in the victim, forced to sit around for hours and play utterly won endgames, sitting on pins and needles, forever alert for the rightfully won endgame to slip away.
The core unfairness is that only one player has to work. The losing player can play any old move. They have no real drawing chances, so they can just futz around. The winning player has to be ultra-vigilant for traps.
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Originally posted by lucifershammerJust a small question in between: do the repeated moves to cause a draw have to occur in the play by both players, of is one repeating playe enough? (As a child I have learned one player repeating is enough, but I have heard else recently)
Just one question - how do you ensure the same position (with same side to move) is not repeated thrice in any of these series of 49s? 😀
