Originally posted by dpressnell18. dxc5?? gave away the pawnchain that was the pride of white's position, any chance at holding the center, and a pawn.
Can somebody tell me why white resigned this game?
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Originally posted by dpressnellFrom the message log (of our other game going on at the time, referring to the game in question)
Why not play on? Looks pretty even to me.
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White
you resign way to easy......the move on the other game, wasn't THAT horrible....unless you had a plan that I didn't see....
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Black
it destroyed the pawn chain which was the pride of my position + lost a lawn...
paultopia's rating is a bit misleading......
he seems to be a bit of a perfectionist and doesn't hesitate to resign when he disappoints himself.....
doesn't bother me in the least bit....he's one of my favorite opponents on RHP.....
Maybe his lack of fear of resigning is partly why this thread was spawned?
Don't bag on paultopia he's a worthy opponent. He just doesn't seem to care about rating points (not a minus in my book)
Tim
Rad1 would set up some powerful attacks. It would double attack a pinned pawn. After the d pawn is captured, there will be a double attack on the c pawn as well as a fork on the c pawn and the knight.
You resigned way too quckly. It looks like your standard for resigning is so low that you'll resign at the THREAT of a pawn loss, without regard to counter tactics.
Just to be sure that I wasn't missing some deep winning play for black that you believe you had seen, I used Chessmaster to analyze the position. Until Chessmaster had a buffer overflow, it rated the advantage as +0.20 for white.
If you resign this easily, you are throwing away a lot of chances to win or draw. Your rating is about the same as mine. At our level, one blunder is often answered by another, and resigning eliminates the possibility of your opponent playing the rest of the game at the same level you play it. Your constant call for quick resignations is bad advice to others if this is how you practice it yourself.
I never intended to rag on him until he started posting his ragging on another opponent who didn't resign "quickly enough," and regarding a current game in progress, at that.
If he wants to discuss the standard for resiging early and post other people's games, then the subject his own resignation in his game is a fair target, too.
One of the least things low rated players need is the psychological pressure that if they don't resign once down in material, they are "rude" or "cowards".
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Originally posted by dpressnellOn the downside: I didn't get accused of being a computer-user. 🙁 Damn.
Just to be sure that I wasn't missing some deep winning play for black that you believe you had seen, I used Chessmaster to analyze the position. Until Chessmaster had a buffer overflow, it rated the advantage as +0.20 for white.
On the upside: paultopia, one of our games caused Chessmaster to crash (buffer overflow); guess it couldn't handle our game-playing logic. 🙂
Its a game people, have fun.
Tim
Originally posted by dpressnell
If he wants to discuss the standard for resiging early and post other people's games, then the subject his own resignation in his game is a fair target, too.
Yes and no. 🙂 You can certainly use paultopia's own games to illustrate the point that some players resign too early - but not make the attack personal.
One of the least things low rated players need is the psychological pressure that if they don't resign once down in material, they are "rude" or "cowards".
I would never recommend a low-rated (??) player to resign when a pawn down (Game 720005) or an exchange down (Game 684816). It's a bit more sticky if a whole piece down - depends on the position, attacking/drawing chances, number of pieces left on the board, whether it's the middle-game/end-game, balance of pawns etc. However, if the advantage is so lopsided that your opponent has a choice of atleast three different ways to mate you - then it is downright "rude" and "cowardly" to continue. Either that, or you're not good enough to see the mates.
Originally posted by lucifershammerI think trying to force people to resign is the only rude thing that goes on here. You wouldn't do it on OTB, so why do it here?
However, if the advantage is so lopsided that your opponent has a choice of atleast three different ways to mate you - then it is downright "rude" and "cowardly" to continue. Either that, or you're not good enough to see the mates.
If you view an end game as a waste of time and energy, then the chances are that you're not going to be paying as much attention, so there's a chance that you'll stumble into stalemate.
As for resigning when a piece down, how about R + 2B v P down? Eh Paul? 😉
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Originally posted by RagnorakIf you were playing OTB at the local chess club, would you drag out a game where your only chances of survival are a total oversight from your opponent? Not unless you're playing for trophies or money. And certainly not if you're just playing for fun and to make friends.
I think trying to force people to resign is the only rude thing that goes on here. You wouldn't do it on OTB, so why do it here?
Originally posted by lucifershammerMaybe not. But if somebody did, I wouldn't openly criticise them and make inane suggestions about what moves I was going to do.
If you were playing OTB at the local chess club, would you drag out a game where your only chances of survival are a total oversight from your opponent? Not unless you're playing for trophies or money. And certainly not if you're just playing for fun and to make friends.
Dragging the game out unnecessarily isn't good and might be unsporting. It maybe also suggests an inexperienced player.
Discussing a game in progress, however tongue-in-cheek, is a breach of the rules.
Originally posted by RedmikeSad, but true.
Maybe not. But if somebody did, I wouldn't openly criticise them and make inane suggestions about what moves I was going to do.
Dragging the game out unnecessarily isn't good and might be unsporting. It maybe also suggests an inexperienced player.
Discussing a game in progress, however tongue-in-cheek, is a breach of the rules.
Wish I could pick up a pan and boink such opponents over the head ... 😀
Originally posted by dpressnellI'm sorry, were you under the impression that whether you "shut the hell up" or not has any effect whatsoever on whether I am "let" do anything? You seem to have a bit of an inflated opinion of the pearls of banality that drool out of your mouth.
In other words, I should shut the hell up and let you run roughshod over everybody?
While your shutting the hell up would certainly be good for society, it makes no difference to my well-being.