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    09 Nov '08 00:16
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    I have been trying to look at this without book analysis.

    See 14. ... Bxg4 above which seems suspect but may be playable

    14. ... Nxg4 looks less good.

    14. ... b5 (Bear in mind this is my own analysis)

    15. b3 Rxd4 16.Bxd4 b4 17.Nd5 looks horrible for black.

    15. b3 Rb4 16.a3 Rxd4 17.Bxd4 Qa5 18.Nd5 Qxa3 looks equally bad.

    These are just brief, first looks at deviations from theory.
    ....Bxg4, two pawns for a piece, i like it, yes siree,
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    If we're going to look at tries like Bxg4 we might as well sacrafice the exchange while we're at it (Rxf3) and plonk the knight in the center with Nxe5. If black can keep the knight in the center he might actually have a good game but this would appear to be a longshot also.
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    09 Nov '08 00:24
    Originally posted by Uries
    If we're going to look at tries like Bxg4 we might as well sacrafice the exchange while we're at it (Rxf3) and plonk the knight in the center with Nxe5. If black can keep the knight in the center he might actually have a good game but this would appear to be a longshot also.
    i remember following an Anand game in which he sacrificed the exchange and went on either to win or draw, is it quite common practice in a position like this?
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    09 Nov '08 00:36
    Using New in Chess Yearbook 85 and Dearing's "Play the Sicilian Dragon"...

    As noted before by Tony, 14...b5 15. b3 b4 16. bxc4 bxc3 17.Qxc3 Qc7 (Jiri Stocek's positional continuation). "Black clears the way for the rook and eyes the weakness on c4 at the same time".
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    09 Nov '08 00:43
    I intend to look at "thoery" too. I was trying alternatives first. There is an eight page guide to the Bxg4/Nxg4 sacrifice in Secrets Of The Sicilian Dragon. The positions are completely different, however. It probably won't work here. Earlier, I expressed concern in the exchange sac line over simple Kc1. I will have to take a deeper look at that as well. The thing that concerns me the most is that we are still following RIOT's preparation. If that is the case, he must believe white is better (at least in the book lines). He's not going to follow theory to a worse position (especially at his rating/skill level).
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    09 Nov '08 01:30
    Paul,

    I think you're intimidated.
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    09 Nov '08 01:38
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Paul,

    I think you're intimidated.
    I've been burned in the past like this. Games that are played at a fast time control and become theory can easily be overturned by a good correspondence game. I've followed book lines time and again and walked right into losses. I'm not saying we're going to lose this one, and I'm not saying the theory is bad. We just need to do what Petrosian said " Rely But Verify" 🙂
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    09 Nov '08 03:191 edit


    position after exchange sacrifice

    14...b5 15. b3 b4 16. bxc4 bxc3 17.Qxc3 Qc7 , looks alright !
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    09 Nov '08 03:36
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    [fen]5rk1/p1qbppbp/3p1np1/8/2PNP1P1/2Q1BP2/P1P4P/1K1R3R w - - 0 14[/fen]

    position after exchange sacrifice

    14...b5 15. b3 b4 16. bxc4 bxc3 17.Qxc3 Qc7 , looks alright !
    What happens after Kc1 (and possible Kd2)?
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    09 Nov '08 03:392 edits
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    What happens after Kc1 (and possible Kd2)?
    mmmm, yes what does happen after Kc1 - Kd2, gulp! although i would rather expect white to play maybe g5 or h4 and start to push his kingside pawns
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    09 Nov '08 03:494 edits
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    What happens after Kc1 (and possible Kd2)?
    OK ... 18.Kc1 d5 (maybe ! )
    One possible threat is e5 and d4 for black.
    19.exd5 Nxd5 may be forced for white.
    I am beginning to think black is ok. 🙂

    20. Q moves Nxe3 21.Qxe3 Qxc4 22.Nb3 (to hold a2) Rc8
    23.Rd2 (23.Qd2 Bh6) White is not looking so hot any more.

    These may not be the best moves. I only wish there was a way to make the queen bishop active for black.
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    09 Nov '08 03:57
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    What happens after Kc1 (and possible Kd2)?
    After 18. Kc1 Rc8 what's your plan? My plan is still ...Be8 and ...Nd7
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    09 Nov '08 04:00
    Originally posted by !~TONY~!
    After 18. Kc1 Rc8 what's your plan? My plan is still ...Be8 and ...Nd7
    19. Kd2 (not fearing an ending) Be8 20.Rb1 was one idea. Look at 18. ... d5 as well. It seems pretty strong.
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    09 Nov '08 04:02
    What happens after 18. Kd2 d5 19. g5? That doesn't look good for Black, right?
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    09 Nov '08 04:02
    18.Kc1 d5 19.g5 looks strong. (Oops)
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