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    06 Jul '09 05:10
    Originally posted by Macpo
    hmm I like this... looks offensive 🙂

    I guess the answer would be Ne6 though... followed by:

    36. ... e5 37. Ne6 Kg8 38. Rd8+ Kh7 39. Nf8+ Kg7 40. Nd7
    and whatever happens, Nf6 and Rg8 are coming...
    Except for 40...Rd4 winning for us.
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    06 Jul '09 05:132 edits
    So I think the main line, to check very carefully, because there are many tricks in the apparently quiet position, is the following.

    36. ... Nf5 37. c3 Nxh4 38. Rxe7 Kg8 39. Re8+ Kh7 40. Re7 Kg8 41. Re8+ etc.
    leads to a draw (and this is not bad, given our position I would say.)
    in this line one may expect Kb3 followed by Ra6; (for instance, 38. Kb3 Ra6 39. Rxe7 etc) but in fact I think that would help black, since when it's back on the 6th rank, the rook protects e6, and therefore avoids Ne6. In which case there is no more repetition possible, since black can play Kg7. of course, that makes us a bit more passive, but by now we have the precious h pawn.

    If people could give their opinion on this...
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    06 Jul '09 05:141 edit
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    Except for 40...Rd4 winning for us.
    True, I forgot there isn't c3 preventing Rd4 in this variation...
    though maybe white can find a way to play c3 at some moment.
    and anyway, I am afraid that even without trying to go for Nd7, White can get a draw after:
    36. ... e5 37. Ne6 Kg8 38. Rd8+ Kh7 39. Rd7 Kg8
    etc

    My fear is that he can get more than a draw from this position, especially because of the mate pattern with Nf6 and Rg8. but maybe it's not working...
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    06 Jul '09 05:34
    Originally posted by Macpo
    True, I forgot there isn't c3 preventing Rd4 in this variation...
    though maybe white can find a way to play c3 at some moment.
    and anyway, I am afraid that even without trying to go for Nd7, White can get a draw after:
    36. ... e5 37. Ne6 Kg8 38. Rd8+ Kh7 39. Rd7 Kg8
    etc

    My fear is that he can get more than a draw from this position, especially because of the mate pattern with Nf6 and Rg8. but maybe it's not working...
    What about 36...a5 37.c3 e5 38.Rxf7+ Kg8 39.Rc7 exd4?
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    06 Jul '09 05:38
    I put a couple of FENs in the first page about this possibility.

    I think that after

    36... a5 37. c3 e5 38. Ne6
    we come back to very similar drawish positions
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    06 Jul '09 05:41
    Originally posted by Macpo
    I put a couple of FENs in the first page about this possibility.

    I think that after

    36... a5 37. c3 e5 38. Ne6
    we come back to very similar drawish positions
    Hmm I think we should stick to 36... Nf5 then.
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    06 Jul '09 05:44
    Yes, the only thing to do now is to check in depth this line

    36. ... Nf5 37. c3 Nxh4 38. Rxe7 Kg8 39. Re8+ Kh7 40. Re7 Kg8 41. Re8+ etc.
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    06 Jul '09 05:48
    Originally posted by Macpo
    Yes, the only thing to do now is to check in depth this line

    36. ... Nf5 37. c3 Nxh4 38. Rxe7 Kg8 39. Re8+ Kh7 40. Re7 Kg8 41. Re8+ etc.
    Or 37...Kg8 to avoid this perpetual.
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    08 Jul '09 22:55
    this thread needs to be bumped!
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    09 Jul '09 07:51
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    Or 37...Kg8 to avoid this perpetual.
    Yes true! I don't know if it will work, but that will be our choice, so it can be studied later...

    I vote 36. ... Nf5
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    10 Jul '09 21:381 edit
    I went through all of the posts. From what I could tell, Nf5 seems to be the most popular choice (and most promising). I will submit it in a few hours if no one has any objections.
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    11 Jul '09 08:03
    OK ... I am sending Nf5 now.
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