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Originally posted by eladyhmm
Hey friends u forgot something: Gelfand was in top 10 during last 15, may be 20 years. He has sixth rating in the world before the world cup. Chuki, Svidler, Pono, Kamsky, Grischuk , Shirov, Radja, Gashimov, Polgar, Karjakin, Mamedyarov and more than 100 another very strong GM-s tried to win the cup and get the last ticket to the candidates matches. Gelfand ca view Gelfand has a better chances and i guess (and hope) he'll become next World Champion.
it was a knockout...very few games played between the guys...some top players not participating(see Carlsen)...which means high randomness.
Take top 10 rated players, add Gelfand and Anand and make a DRR. Would you put any buck on the 2 candidates ?
Another option: take top 16, make a knockout with 14 games in each match. Would you put any buck on the 2 candidates?(actually here the situation changes, I might consider to bet something on them, I think they are stronger in matches. But they would not be my favorites for sure)
Do you enjoy having a WCh that struggles to finish on 0(not even +2) in the top tournaments ? Or that just recently lost against a guy rated about 100(Tiviakov)? Would you imagine Kasparov or Fischer wearing the crown in a similar style ?
I consider the match starting today(Aronian-Kramnik) stronger than the World Championship final. I might not be right, but still...I would like to have a strong final...and to have no comparison rights...I should not even dare to compare the matches.
Anyone would have dared to say during Kasparov-Kramnik/Fischer-Spassky/Kasparov-Karpov/Anand-Kramnik, etc matches that maybe some other chess match going on is stronger ?
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Originally posted by vipiuIf veteran like Gelfand is able to win tiresome marathons like World cup, it`s witness of high class whatever some "experts" may say.
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it was a knockout...very few games played between the guys...some top players not participating(see Carlsen)...which means high randomness.
Take top 10 rated players, add Gelfand and Anand and make a DRR. Would you put any buck on the 2 candidates ?
Another option: take top 16, make a knockout with 14 games in each match. Would you put any buck on ...[text shortened]... parov-Karpov/Anand-Kramnik, etc matches that maybe some other chess match going on is stronger ?
Originally posted by Pacifique"high class" I agree.
If veteran like Gelfand is able to win tiresome marathons like World cup, it`s witness of high class whatever some "experts" may say.
I just have the feeling that a WCh should have more than this...he should have that hate, that desire/passion, that will...to play sharp openings, to aim to kill in every single game, every single opponent(to play KID, Sicilian as black, KG as white sometimes, to play wild openings/moves sometimes like Nh3/Na3/pawn sack for nothing visible to us mortals like in that Karpov-Kasparov game 0-1 that someone presented recently in this forum)
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Originally posted by vipiuDon`t judge Gelfand if you know nothing about him. Gelfand plays sharp openings as Black like Sicilian, Slav etc. He has played many sharp & spectacular games like these ones
"high class" I agree.
I just have the feeling that a WCh should have more than this...he should have that hate, that desire/passion, that will...to play sharp openings, to aim to kill in every single game, every single opponent(to play KID, Sicilian as black, KG as white sometimes, to play wild openings/moves sometimes like Nh3/Na3/pawn sack for nothing visib ...[text shortened]... s mortals like in that Karpov-Kasparov game 0-1 that someone presented recently in this forum)
Originally posted by Pacifiquehey, being a chess player gives me the right to say my opinion about the finalists...and even I do not know too much about chess in general compared with some of you(I have never seen the first game that you show there) but I know for example(without searching for internet or anything) that the second game was his important win (probably against Mamedyarov I think from the last knockout when he qualified), a recent game for sure which I saw relayed live on the internet.
Don`t judge Gelfand if you know nothing about him. Gelfand plays sharp openings as Black like Sicilian, Slav etc. He has played many sharp & spectacular games like these ones
[pgn][Event "European Club Cup"] [Site "Rogaska Slatina SLO"] [Date "2011.09.27"] [EventDate "2011.09.25"] [Round "3"] [Result "1-0"] [White "Boris Gelfand"] [Black "Baadur Jobava" ...[text shortened]... 2 36.Bb1 Qc4 37.Qg2 a3 38.Ba2 Qc6 39.Rg3 Rb8 0-1[/pgn]
I also know that he enjoys too much Petroff and that he is too classical for this game, following too much the principles...
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Originally posted by vipiuBeing a chess player gives me the right to state what I think about players stating their opinion about things they don`t know.
hey, being a chess player gives me the right to say my opinion about the finalists...and even I do not know too much about chess in general compared with some of you(I have never seen the first game that you show there) but I know for example(without searching for internet or anything) that the second game was his important win (probably against Mamedyarov I t ...[text shortened]... oo much Petroff and that he is too classical for this game, following too much the principles...
If you looked at Gelfand`s chessgames.com profile you would have no problems to find the first game. Also you would see that Gelfand has played Sicilian much more often (541 game) than Petroff (122 games).
I bet you haven`t looked at Gelfand`s Petroff games too.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?page=1&pid=13847&playercomp=black&eco=C42-C43&title=Boris%20Gelfand%20playing%20the%20Petrov%20as%20Black&eresult=
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Originally posted by nimzo5He barely managed to beat Sasha Grischuk , I followed the candidates live online, hes
I agree with Pacifique on all counts.
Gelfand has been preparing for this for a long time, I would expect him to bring something theoretically interesting with White and absolutely squish play with Black unless he gets behind in the match.
awesome, but Anand is the special one.
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Originally posted by plopzillaYou might like to ask what has he done for chess in India? Indeed, I was in Glasgow,
Anand has done nothing for Chess since being world champion and only cares about himself - at least Karpov and Kasparov did something...
at the KFC and the young girl serving me was Indian, as i was getting my meal i asked
if she played chess, oh yes she beamed, i am from the same state as Viswanathan
Anand!