Originally posted by kopatovFischer v. Spassky 1972
Can anyone show me examples from GM play were a GM donates points in the manner we have seen i.e.
- resigning when ahead
- resigning when the game is level.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/chess/grandmaster-games/viewmastergame.php?pgnid=54795&subject=Bobby_Fischer_vs_Boris_Spassky
Surely there is some sort of story behind this one move resignation.
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Originally posted by kopatovFischer alleged that the Russians did this often, and some of the players at the Curacao Interzonal in 1962 admitted as much, but you are still missing the point.
Can anyone show me examples from GM play were a GM donates points in the manner we have seen i.e.
- resigning when ahead
- resigning when the game is level.
Offhand, I would suggest looking at Paul Keres' games against Botvinnik in 1948. It makes knowledgeable chess players worldwide sick at some of the external influences that can unfairly impact the result of a game.
Here's a pair of links for you:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kb1.pdf
http://www.anusha.com/keres-bo.htm
The change in rating that occurred from the resignation in the game you are concerned about may well have been entirely incidental to the reason for the resignation.
You need to systematically eliminate all the other possible causes before defaulting to the "donating points" theory.
You can't just assume a conclusion unsupported by any facts, and then ask for other examples. If you think there is a particular reason why the resignation took place, the burden is on you to provide the proof. You can't just assert it.
I'm not sure anyone cares enough, but if it is important to you, good luck in your search for the truth.
Originally posted by kopatovThere are thirty odd examples on TIm Krabbe's pages of players resigning when in winning positions of which probably the most famous is Von Popiel - Marco 1902.
Some people have switched off their brains so one again :-
[b]Can anyone show me examples from GM play were a GM donates points in the manner we have seen i.e.
- resigning when ahead
- resigning when the game is level.[/b]
He doesn't mention Short v. Arakhamia Grant (mobile phone game) which looks much the same as the game under discussion until you know the reason
http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/resigntxt.htm
"Can anyone show me examples from GM play were a
GM donates points in the manner we have seen."
Darga vs Lengyel, Holland 1964
Black has just played 41...R6e2+ and White resigned. 0-1
Yes 42. Rxe2 wins for White.
Happy now.
On the first page of this thread one lad said:
"I guess the resignation has nothing to do with the position."
and Nimzo answered "Correct."
So you are not looking for matching examples in OTB play
where the position does matter.
Now put your keyboard down, have a cup of tea and think about it.
Originally posted by RagwortThe Nigel Short example is a new one for me- I did not know that a GM had lost a game like that under those circumstances. On the spot, though!
There are thirty odd examples on TIm Krabbe's pages of players resigning when in winning positions of which probably the most famous is Von Popiel - Marco 1902.
He doesn't mention Short v. Arakhamia Grant (mobile phone game) which looks much the same as the game under discussion until you know the reason
http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/resigntxt.htm
I suppose Informant or Chessbase will have to come up with a new symbol to annotate the reason for the result, as otherwise it leaves a bewildering database entry.
Originally posted by Paul LeggettLiverpool 2008 - atticus2 may even have been there. . .
The Nigel Short example is a new one for me- I did not know that a GM had lost a game like that under those circumstances. On the spot, though!
I suppose Informant or Chessbase will have to come up with a new symbol to annotate the reason for the result, as otherwise it leaves a bewildering database entry.
A better way of donating rating points Thread 141288 instead of pretending to play. That way it will not look as if you were trying to play a game of chest.
Originally posted by kopatovGP, it is apparently going to take something stronger than tea. He still has the "donating points" blinders on, and the needle shows no signs of skipping to the next track.
A better way of donating rating points Thread 141288 instead of pretending to play. That way it will not look as if you were trying to play a game of chest.
Originally posted by kopatovDid you complain when your opponents donated rating points to you by timeout or where you happy enough to steal the ratings points?
A better way of donating rating points Thread 141288 instead of pretending to play. That way it will not look as if you were trying to play a game of chest.
Things happen in real life to make people stop playing.
It could be anything from a simple dose of diahorrea, you getting upset with the opponent because they wouldn't move quick enough to death by gimp mask and yes, it has happened before
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/11211-death-by-gimp-mask
There is no point trying to analyse why it happens, it just does.
Originally posted by ChessPraxisTrue. It is opposite color bishops that may lead to a tedious draw that maybe he wanted to avoid.
Looks drawish to me, but then I'm a moron. 😞
Nimzo resigned against me one time unexpectedly (on move 31 in the game below), and we were even in material but maybe I had the advantage. Maybe not. But I was surprised. And relieved, as I felt like I was playing out on a limb during the game. I followed a game (between two 2500 players, 365chess link below) in a games database the first 21 moves, and then Nimzo deviated.
In the last few moves of our game I spent hours, including 1-2 hours on my last move before he resigned. (He also resigned a couple of other games in our tournament bracket).
There is really nothing wrong with strategic resignations. In contrast, what I don't like is playing a player with an extremely artificially low rating making a comeback after mass resignations or mass timeouts. I don't think Nimzo fits that scenario. Even so, mass resignations is not against the RHP rules.
Game 8040693
http://www.365chess.com/view_game.php?g=3584415
He beat me in the other game we played.
Game 8040690
I like Nimzo. I like his posts in the forum. He seems like a nice guy, and knowledgable.