White to Play

Originally posted by Red Night
B-h6+ Kxh6
Qf7 Rh8
N-g4+ Kh5
Ne3

Now, Rxd1 looks like it leads to a perpetual by White.

...e5
fxe5 Rxd1 looks like it may lead to a win for white.

Any other moves for black?

If 4.....Rxd1
then
5. Rxd1 Nd6
6. Rd5+ (6. g4?! leads to a perpetual)

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
If 4.....Rxd1
then
5. Rxd1 Nd6
6. Rd5+ (6. g4?! leads to a perpetual)

If think I was looking at

......Rxd1
g4+ K-h6

leading to a perpetual.


....Rxd1
Rxd1 Ne6
g4! and now Kh4 leads to mate, but K-h6 doesn't.

I'm not sure that Ne6 is the best move. What about Qc8?

has anyone considered
1.Bh6 Kxh6+
2.Qf7! Ng7!?

Originally posted by aginis
has anyone considered
1.Bh6 Kxh6+
2.Qf7! Ng7!?

2.........Ng7??
3. Ng4+ is mate in 7

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
2.........Ng7??
3. Ng4+ is mate in 7

1.Bh6 Kxh6
2.Qf7 Ng7
3.Ng4+ Kh5
4.Qxg7 Kxg4
where's the mate?

can you please give the line

Originally posted by aginis
1.Bh6 Kxh6
2.Qf7 Ng7
3.Ng4+ Kh5
4.Qxg7 Kxg4
where's the mate?

can you please give the line

5. h3+

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
If 4.....Rxd1
then
5. Rxd1 Nd6
6. Rd5+ (6. g4?! leads to a perpetual)

6...e5

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
6...e5

6.....e5 leads to a problematic win (which I will point you to soon) after 7. Qg7 (cutting off the Black king's escape route) but I can't find a refutation (read: Rybka and Toga can't find a refutation) of Red Night's 5....Qc8. Nor can I find a refutation of 4.....e6 after 4. Ne3.

Perhaps this is a good time to mention that, although the source claims White wins, he admits there may be some holes in his analysis because of the sheer complexity of the position. Perhaps we have found a couple.

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
6.....e5 leads to a problematic win (which I will point you to soon) after 7. Qg7 (cutting off the Black king's escape route) but I can't find a refutation (read: Rybka and Toga can't find a refutation) of Red Night's 5....Qc8. Nor can I find a refutation of 4.....e6 after 4. Ne3.

Perhaps this is a good time to mention that, although the source c ...[text shortened]... is analysis because of the sheer complexity of the position. Perhaps we have found a couple.

It is very complex. So many moves and we're asked to find the best for both players.

Qc8 looks very strong, but for awhile I was looking at Qc7!?


I will give you this, there is a lot of life in a position that at first glance looks dead lost!

Originally posted by Red Night
Qc8 looks very strong, but for awhile I was looking at Qc7!?

5....Qc7 loses to
6. Rd5+ e5
7. Qe6 etc.

Originally posted by 7ate9
sorry, my mistake.

i was getting lost in another thread at the same time.

I THINK YOU DID SOME GOOD ANALYSIS ON A COMPLICATED POSITION.

Originally posted by 7ate9
thanks, i was a bit rash on my last comments though.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by Red Night
5. h3+

thats not a line thats a half move.

1.Bh6 Kxh6
2.Qf7 Ng7
3.Ng4+ Kh5
4.Qxg7 Kxg4
5.h3+ Kf5
6.g4+ Ke6
7.Rfe1+ Ke7

you're down a piece and no mate in sight.

Now if there is anyone out there who would like to point out why 2...Ng7 is not an excellent defense for black they should offer some proof. That means don't assume your right (giving one move and expecting everyone to applaud isn't my idea of analysis)