White to Play

Originally posted by aginis
thats not a line thats a half move.

Try this half-move:

6.Rde1

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
6.....e5 leads to a problematic win (which I will point you to soon) after 7. Qg7 (cutting off the Black king's escape route) but I can't find a refutation (read: Rybka and Toga can't find a refutation) of Red Night's 5....Qc8. Nor can I find a refutation of 4.....e6 after 4. Ne3.

Perhaps this is a good time to mention that, although the source c ...[text shortened]... is analysis because of the sheer complexity of the position. Perhaps we have found a couple.

6...e5 7.Qg7 Qf8 stops the wQ from using h6. White's pieces are starting to get shut out of play now.

Originally posted by aginis
thats not a line thats a half move.

1.Bh6 Kxh6
2.Qf7 Ng7
3.Ng4+ Kh5
4.Qxg7 Kxg4
5.h3+ Kf5
6.g4+ Ke6
7.Rfe1+ Ke7

you're down a piece and no mate in sight.

Now if there is anyone out there who would like to point out why 2...Ng7 is not an excellent defense for black they should offer some proof. That means don't assume your right (giving one move and expecting everyone to applaud isn't my idea of analysis)

6. R(d) -e1 h5
7. R-e5+ f x e5
8. Q x e5 ++


Not 6. g4+



Any way to win after Qc8?

Originally posted by 7ate9
5. Q-h6 allows black one move before mate.

OK, 5.....Rd3

What is it?

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
6...e5 7.Qg7 Qf8 stops the wQ from using h6. White's pieces are starting to get shut out of play now.

1. Bh6+ Kxh6
2. Qf7 Rh8
3. Ng4+ Kh5
4. Ne3 Rxd1
5. Rxd1 Nd6
6. Rd5+ e5
7.Qg7 Qf8!
8. g4+ Kh4
9. Qd7!

Originally posted by 7ate9
it's a free rook? R*R and now black is forced to move the queen.

We all know this line is for losers. So why are you still interested in it?

....Qc8

Rf1!

Originally posted by Red Night
....Qc8

Rf1!

1. Bh6+ Kxh6
2. Qf7 Rh8
3. Ng4+ Kh5
4. Ne3 Rxd1
5. Rxd1 Qc8
6. Rf1
and
6............e6
7. Rf3 Bxf4
8. Rxf4 Qc7
9. Rxf6 Qxf7
10. Rxf7 Nd6 all looks quite forced.

Black has chances to win because of his more active king and better pawn structure.