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    I was thinking about Nc6, but after a long variation it comes down to a bishop+ knight vs. rook endgame, which is easily winning for black. Then I started looking at

    1. Bh6+ Kxh6
    2. Qf7 Ng7?? Losing move leading to mate in 7
    3. Ng4+ Kh5
    4. Qxg7 Rd3
    5. Qh6+ Kxg4
    6. Rxd3 Kf5
    7. Qh3+ Ke4
    8. Re3+ Kd5
    9. Qe6# 1-0
    or
    3. Ng4+ Kh5
    4. Qxg7 Kxg4
    5. h3+ Kf5
    6. Rde1 e5
    7. Rxe5+ fxe5
    8. Qxe5# 1-0



    2. ... Rh8 forced.
    3. Ng4+ Kh5
    4. Ne3 Rxd1
    5. g4+ Kh4
    6. Rxd1 Qc8
    7. Rd5 Ng7
    8. Qxg7 Qf8
    9. Qxf8 Rxf8
    and black is clearly better.
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    13 Aug '06 12:281 edit
    Originally posted by 7ate9
    i guess i am a bit.
    Nobody called you a bit. But you might be a nybble.
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    Originally posted by 7ate9
    would you like me to dig up some stuff from the past?
    Your grandmother?
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    I'd quite like that time capsule in the Blue Peter garden, if that's option 2.
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    15 Aug '06 00:271 edit
    The position comes from the source below. My God, the analysis makes Kasparov's analysis look like Chernev's.
    http://www.chesscafe.com/text/dvoretsky71.pdf

    And I received the following email from Mark Dvoretsky proving that Thud did not Blunder:

    Dear Thud,

    Thank you for your letter. You are right: I failed to find any advantage for White after both your defences. I believe, chances are about equal in both cases.

    I) 4...e6! 5.Rde1!? (5.Rb1!?) 5...Rd2 6.Rf3 B:f4!, and now either 7.R:f4
    Qd7(c7) 8.R:f6 Q:f7 9.R:f7 Nd6 10.Re7 - with four rooks on the board White
    perhaps is not worse, or 7.Q:e6!? Qd7 (7...Kh6 8.R:f4 Kg7) 8.Qe4 Kh6
    (8...g5?! 9.Rh3+ Q:h3 10.gh R:h2+ 11.Kg1 R:h3 12.Nf5 with White's advantage)
    9.Q:f4+ Kg7 - White keeps fair compensation for a pawn.

    2) 4...Rd1! 5.Rd1 Qc8! 6.Rd5+ Kh6 7.h3 f5 (7...Nc7 8.Ng4+ Q:g4 9.hg N:d5
    10.g5+ fg 11.fg+ K:g5 12.Q:d5+ Kh6 13.Qc4!? is worse for Black) 8.R:f5
    (8.Q:e7 B:f4 9.Qh4+ Kg7 10.Qe7+ Kh6 - perpetual) 8...gf 9.N:f5+ Q:f5 10.Q:f5
    Kg7 - equality.

    Best regards,
    Mark Dvoretsky
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