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    02 Feb '10 00:39
    Originally posted by Ice Cold
    Engines can't explain why, they just choose moves.
    Nonsense.Fritz,for instance,has the invaluable 'explain all moves' function.An example:

    Ajuin - Banfieldspawn [C41]

    1.e4 increases central control 1...e5 increases central control
    2.Nf3 increases central control 2...d6 a standard opening move
    3.d4 increases pressure on e5 3...exd4 a standard opening move
    4.Nxd4 recaptures the material 4...c5 black gets a backward pawn
    5.Bb5+ gives a check 5...Bd7 parry a check - intercept
    6.Bxd7+ an exchange 6...Qxd7 parry a check - capture checker
    7.Nf5 increases pressure on d6 7...Nf6 increases central control
    8.Qf3 develops the queen - a bit too early 8...Nc6 increases central control
    9.Nc3 increases central control 9...g6 increases pressure on f5
    10.Bg5 develops the bishop 10...Nh5 attacked piece moves away
    11.Nd5 an ideal square for the white knight 11...Nd4 loses material: N
    12.Nxd4 an exchange 12...cxd4 attacker gets captured
    13.g4 is ok 13...Be7 is tactically incorrect
    14.Bxe7 an exchange 1-0

    If that's not going to help you improve I don't know what will!
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    02 Feb '10 00:58
    Originally posted by Ajuin
    Nonsense.Fritz,for instance,has the invaluable 'explain all moves' function.An example:

    Ajuin - Banfieldspawn [C41]

    1.e4 increases central control 1...e5 increases central control
    2.Nf3 increases central control 2...d6 a standard opening move
    3.d4 increases pressure on e5 3...exd4 a standard opening move
    4.Nxd4 recaptures the material 4...c5 black ...[text shortened]...
    14.Bxe7 an exchange 1-0

    If that's not going to help you improve I don't know what will!
    Ask fritz how it controls etc
  3. Standard memberwormwood
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    02 Feb '10 01:02
    Originally posted by Ajuin
    Nonsense.Fritz,for instance,has the invaluable 'explain all moves' function.An example:

    Ajuin - Banfieldspawn [C41]

    1.e4 increases central control 1...e5 increases central control
    2.Nf3 increases central control 2...d6 a standard opening move
    3.d4 increases pressure on e5 3...exd4 a standard opening move
    4.Nxd4 recaptures the material 4...c5 black ...[text shortened]...
    14.Bxe7 an exchange 1-0

    If that's not going to help you improve I don't know what will!
    a 1200 could've written all of those, and nobody could tell a difference. in fact I'm quite sure that's exactly the kind of prose a 1200 would write.
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    02 Feb '10 01:03
    Originally posted by Ice Cold
    Ask fritz how it controls etc
    ahum

    I was joking of course.the explanations are obviously meaningless

    I did like
    5.Bb5+ gives a check
    13.g4 is ok

    it made me smile 🙂
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    02 Feb '10 01:04
    Originally posted by wormwood
    a 1200 could've written all of those, and nobody could tell a difference. in fact I'm quite sure that's exactly the kind of prose a 1200 would write.
    Please,give the 1200's some credit
  6. Standard memberwormwood
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    02 Feb '10 01:15
    Originally posted by Ajuin
    ahum

    I was joking of course.the explanations are obviously meaningless

    I did like
    5.Bb5+ gives a check
    13.g4 is ok

    it made me smile 🙂
    you totally had me going there. 🙂
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    02 Feb '10 01:301 edit
    Originally posted by wormwood
    you totally had me going there. 🙂
    LOL!!

    Come on now,how can you take that serious.

    I don't understand why it has this function.I dread to think there are people who actually use it 😕
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    02 Feb '10 01:39
    Originally posted by Ajuin
    LOL!!

    Come on now,how can you take that serious.

    I don't understand why it has this function.I dread to think there are people who actually use it 😕
    I've seen that kind of commentary before. 😕
    Only the English wasn't as good.
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    02 Feb '10 01:48
    Originally posted by Ice Cold
    I've seen that kind of commentary before. 😕
    Only the English wasn't as good.
    You mean you tried this function before?Or a different engine?Or,no,surely no,it can't be,nobody is that stupid
  10. Standard memberWulebgr
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    02 Feb '10 01:53
    Fritz is very good at explaining how your moves endanger thin ice from heavy bovines and leave cats treed.
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    02 Feb '10 01:55
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Fritz is very good at explaining how your moves endanger thin ice from heavy bovines and leave cats treed.
    Pardon?
  12. Standard memberWulebgr
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    02 Feb '10 02:111 edit
    Wulebgr - gregsflat [A43]
    Three Clan Challenge http://www.redhotpawn.com (1), 28.02.2008
    [Hiarcs 12 (30s)]
    A43: Schmid Benoni 1.d4 c5 2.d5 d6 3.e4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Nbd7N 5.f4 g6 6.Nf3 Black has a cramped position. Black's piece can't move: c8 6...Nb6 7.Be2 Bd7 8.0–0 Bg7 9.e5 White wins space 9...Ng4 10.e6 fxe6 11.dxe6 Bc6 12.Ng5 White has an active position 12...Qc7?? [ ¹12...Nh6² is just about the only chance] 13.Bxg4+- 0–0–0 14.Nf7 Rdf8 15.a4 Rhg8 16.a5 Nc4 17.Qd3 Nxa5 18.Nb5 Bxb5 19.Qxb5 b6 20.Rd1 h5 21.Bh3 Bf6 22.Nxd6+! Decoy: d6 22...exd6 23.e7+ Kb8 24.exf8Q+ Rxf8 25.Rxa5 Rd8 [ 25...Bd4+ doesn't get the bull off the ice 26.Kh1 h4 27.Bd2+-] 26.f5 g5 27.g3 Qb7 28.Bg2 d5 29.Ra3 Kc8 30.Rad3 a6 31.Bxd5 axb5 32.Bxb7+ Kxb7 33.Rxd8 Bd4+ 34.R8xd4 cxd4 35.Rxd4 g4 36.f6 Kc6 37.f7 Kc5 38.Be3 h4 39.f8Q+ Kc6 40.Qc8# 1–0

    lolly121 - Wulebgr [A25]
    Open invite http://www.redhotpawn.com, 21.05.2009
    [Hiarcs 12 (15s)]
    A25: English Opening vs King's Indian with ...Nc6 but without early d3 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 Nc6 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be6 6.d3 Nd4 7.Nce2 Nxe2 8.Nxe2 c6N 9.Nc3 Be7 10.0–0 0–0 11.f4 exf4 12.gxf4 Qb6+ 13.Kh1 Ng4 14.f5² This push gains space 14...Nf2+ 15.Rxf2 Qxf2 16.fxe6 fxe6 White wins the exchange. 17.Qe2 Qh4 18.Be3 Bf6 19.Rf1 Be5 20.Rxf8+ [ 20.Bf3 Bf4²] 20...Rxf8= Black has a mate threat 21.Bg1 Bg3 22.Nd1 e5 23.Ne3 g6² Covers f5 24.Qg4 Qxg4 25.Nxg4 Bf4 'the bishop is the bishop!' 26.Ne3 b5 27.cxb5± cxb5 28.Nd5 Bg5 29.Bh3 Rf3 Black threatens to win material: Rf3xh3 30.Be6+ Kg7 31.Bxa7 Rf1+ 32.Kg2+- Rd1 33.Bb8 Rd2+ 34.Kf1 Rxb2 [ 34...Be7 35.b4+-] 35.Bxd6 Bf6 36.Nc7 Rb1+ [ 36...g5 37.h3+-] 37.Ke2 g5 38.h3 h5 39.a3 Kg6 [ 39...Rb2+ doesn't get the cat off the tree 40.Kf3+-] 40.Bf5+ Kf7 41.d4! leaving no more doubts 41...Rb2+ 42.Kd3 exd4 43.Be6+ Kg6 44.e5 Bd8 45.Nd5 g4 46.hxg4 h4 47.Bf5+ Kg5 48.e6 h3 49.e7 Bxe7 50.Bxe7+ Kh6 51.g5+ Kg7 52.Bf6+ Kf8 53.g6 Rf2 54.g7+ Kf7 55.Be6+! Decoy: c5 1–0
  13. Standard memberthesonofsaul
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    02 Feb '10 02:19
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Wulebgr - gregsflat [A43]
    Three Clan Challenge http://www.redhotpawn.com (1), 28.02.2008
    [Hiarcs 12 (30s)]
    A43: Schmid Benoni 1.d4 c5 2.d5 d6 3.e4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Nbd7N 5.f4 g6 6.Nf3 Black has a cramped position. Black's piece can't move: c8 6...Nb6 7.Be2 Bd7 8.0–0 Bg7 9.e5 White wins space 9...Ng4 10.e6 fxe6 11.dxe6 Bc6 12.Ng5 White has an active position 12. ...[text shortened]... 9.e7 Bxe7 50.Bxe7+ Kh6 51.g5+ Kg7 52.Bf6+ Kf8 53.g6 Rf2 54.g7+ Kf7 55.Be6+! Decoy: c5 1–0
    This is sweet. I like "the bishop is the bishop" most of all. Might use that as my team name for the U.S. Team Champs (North) coming up this month.

    Nah. I'd have to spend too much time explaining it.
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    02 Feb '10 02:27
    yes,good stuff 🙂
  15. Standard memberwormwood
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    02 Feb '10 02:40
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Fritz is very good at explaining how your moves endanger thin ice from heavy bovines and leave cats treed.
    classics! 😀
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